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#15201468
@B0ycey

Allegra has just resigned and put Boris even deeper in the shit. Not by what she said but what she didn't say.

BoJo out. Sunak in.

Out of the frying pan into the fire, eh?


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#15201469
ingliz wrote:Allegra has just resigned and put him more in the shit. Not by what she said but what she didn't say.


She didn't have a choice. I guess she had a conscious. But she would have been thrown to the wolves in any case. But that is the role of the advisor. To take the bullet. Cummings though broke that mold by clinging on. But Johnson looked toast in any case. It will be interesting to see how Valance and Whitty act when asked continuously on the party at the Downing Street Press conference at 6. They no doubt would rather not be working with a Johnson government on this. But they are professional and will try and deflect the questions I suspect. Their body language will be interesting though. However it is a shame we won't see Van Tam. I like that guy. He know doubt wouldn't hold back even with Johnson by his side.
#15201470
ingliz wrote:Out of the frying pan into the fire, eh?


Why do you care. You're avatar is not from the UK remember. But no, Sunak is a professional and always answers a question with dignity. He also has respect from the opposition. And will have it from the international community. This isn't about policy. This is about respect and bringing the government to a professional standard. Sunak won't make me a Tory. But he would at least make me respect politics again. So no, it isn't jumping into the fire at all. It is rising up a step but having another ten steps to take.
#15201472
B0ycey wrote:Sunak won't make me a Tory

Why would he? You are a Tory. The only difference policywise is the colour of your rosette.


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#15201473
ingliz wrote:Why would he? You are a Tory. The only difference policywise is the colour of your rosette.


Isn't everyone on the right to you?

Not that your opinion matters to me. I have never voted Tories before and I don't plan on changing the habit. But if every party is a Tory to you, then I can see why you have confusion.


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#15201475
B0ycey wrote:I have never voted Tories

Why not?

On policy, your differences are wafer-thin.

Would it embarrass you at your candlelit dinners to admit it? Is it a love that dare not speak its name?
#15201479
ingliz wrote:Why not?

On policy, your differences are wafer-thin.

Would it embarrass you at your candlelit dinners to admit it? Is it a love that dare not speak its name?


Well you don't know what I vote on do you. I suspect I have more Socialism blood than you. There is no reason to vote for the Tories and given my posts are Social Democrat in tone, you clearly don't even know what you are talking about in what my policies are. But don't worry. Your Avatar doesn't need to worry about who is in charge of the UK. You can enjoy the sun and not care about Sunak or Johnson. I however do have to worry about that. And if I have to live under a Tory government I would prefer a gentleman and not a liar.
#15201599
There isn’t any truth in the claim that Labour are Tory lite. They aren’t and never have been.
It’s a term used by those we used to call loony lefties back in the day.

Mostly middle class wannabes who think it’s cool to live in squalor but have never had to choose between buying a bottle of shampoo and a loaf of bread. Or had week after week of trying to make ends meet.
#15201600
snapdragon wrote:never had to choose

Aren't you lucky.

I have.

They aren't and never have been

Thatcher, when asked to identify her greatest achievement, replied, “Tony Blair and New Labour."

B0ycey wrote:Socialism

Cast aside on the 29 April 1995:

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

— Clause IV, the constitution of the Labour Party


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#15201609
ingliz wrote:Aren't you lucky.

I have.


Doesn't Malta have a Labour Government? I guess they must have forgot you as they shared out the fruits of others.


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Socialism for your information is state ownership and doesn't necessarily mean it will result in a share of production. There isn't really ever been a fully established Socialism movement in Western Europe. Even Corbyn. But I have said I am a Social Democrat in any case. It is you who is a Stalinist. I guess you would struggle to be fed even under your ideal leadership by dear leader though being you are Boxer.
#15201610
The next test for Johnson is going to be next week. Can he get enough votes to get new Covid restrictions through? They are quite mild, so perhaps.

There are skeptics who are saying this is all to do with deflecting attention off him. But I don't think so. I think BoJo wants to be seen as going something positive over Covid given it is clear that last year he was being so blase. So perhaps an ulterior motive but not to save his ass but to save his reputation. Even so we are now having three investigations over parties and the opposition will no doubt push for more when further details are reveals. The Mirror is mentioning 7 parties. Can BoJo save himself? I doubt it. There is going to be no credibility to the investigation if they say no rules were broken (a party in itself was against the rules), and I guess BoJo will resign over its ruling when it says that parties did indeed occur. He looked fed up and tried yesterday when answering questions to journalists and given he is embroiled in controversy there will no doubt be more questions the longer he remains as PM. So my instinct is he is going to be planning on resigning soon and he will leave under his own terms. As long as he leaves, that wouldn't necessarily bother me. It should be said that Stratton had a lot of respect from journalists by doing the honorable thing by resigning and apologising and I would hope Johnson will do likewise when he has run out of excuses.

#Don'tbeaCummings,beaStratton.
#15201611
B0ycey wrote:Doesn't Malta have a Labour Government?

Yes, it does.

Tony Blair has the ear of the Prime Minister and is advising them.


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I guess they must have forgot you as they shared out the fruits of others.

No, they have not (for now). Although, with Tony advising them, they almost certainly will.

It was Thatcher in the 80s that 'forgot' us. She fucked the North.

Why do you think I went back to Malta?
#15201613
I'm certainly happy for my ideological outlook to be described as part socialist. I support free eye, ear and dental care, which we don't have in Britain, but at the same time I recognise that there there has to be some level of rationing within health care. I support grammar schools, smart kids from lower economic families should not have to rely on rich people's charities. I think private health care and private schooling should exist, but I don't think they should get any tax break subsidies.

The terms socialism and capitalism are not equivalent. Capitalism (Kapitalismus) is a Marxist category. I've not read the German first edition of "Das Kapital". But as far as I can make out Marx never used the term "Kapitalismus". This would only be a minor pedantic point except that Immortal Goon in rather pathetic fashion, kept up a long argument trying to obscure this point rather admit I might have known something about the history of Marxism that he didn't. The point is that whether used by Marx or Engels first, the term is a contraction of "Capitalist mode of production."

I do not think its reasonable to apply this term to mixed economy democracies with universal adult male suffrage. The society that most resembles a capitalist's society is the Roman Republic, where the political, legal, religious and military leadership were all institutionally concentrated in the hands of the owners of the most capital. This is important because the use of the term capitalism conflates industrialisation with a non existent revolution in economic social relations.

"Social Democracy" although now a term for moderate socialists originally had very radical implications. It implied that property would be controlled through democratic means, rather than private ownership and the market.
#15201644
Rich wrote:"Social Democracy" although now a term for moderate socialists originally had very radical implications. It implied that property would be controlled through democratic means, rather than private ownership and the market.


Property by democratic means? What would that mean in practice I have to ask?

I would say the first thing people think of under the term Social Democracy is a significantly fairer tax system and high spending on social programs within a democratic government. In other words the Nordic Model. It seems most European nations are moving towards that style of government and the UK is a generation behind them I would say until we see radical reform in the opposition government. Corbyn would have been classed as a Social Democrat as it happens and was a decade too early on the political scene to make a difference. So what you are doing is what most Americans are doing and just confusing what Socialism means in reality. If Socialism was the same as nationisation then every Western nation is Socialist, including America who have a state run Space Program.
#15201645
Well, ingliz, if you’ve had to choose as I have in the past, then you’d know there’s a big difference between Thatcher and Blair.

New Labour was redistributive rather than socialist.

Thatcher had easily beaten labour in three general elections. It would stupid to deny that some of her policies weren’t popular with the working class.
The right to buy. The right to vote before agreeing to strike.

I wonder if she would have been so pleased with the equalising of legal consent and the introduction of civil partnerships.

Britain isn’t a socialist country because we don’t want to be. Why else was corbyn so comprehensively kicked into touch?
#15201647
snapdragon wrote:Why else was Corbyn so comprehensively kicked into touch?

You tell me.

Labour's policies were very popular in 2019.

According to Yougov, the most popular involved increasing tax on the highest earners. Close to two-thirds (64%) would have supported raising the tax rate on earnings over £123,000 a year from 45% to 50%. Likewise, six in ten supported increasing the tax rate on earnings over £80,000 a year from 40% to 45%.

Most people also supported nationalising the railways (56%) and reserving a third of the space on company boards to workers (54%).

Around half (53%) would have supported a wealth tax, nationalising water companies (50%), and 45% supported taking gas and utility companies into public ownership.


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#15201650
ingliz wrote:You tell me.

Labour's policies were very popular in 2019.

According to Yougov, the most popular involved increasing tax on the highest earners. Close to two-thirds (64%) would have supported raising the tax rate on earnings over £123,000 a year from 45% to 50%. Likewise, six in ten supported increasing the tax rate on earnings over £80,000 a year from 40% to 45%.

Most people also supported nationalising the railways (56%) and reserving a third of the space on company boards to workers (54%).

Around half (53%) would have supported a wealth tax, nationalising water companies (50%), and 45% supported taking gas and utility companies into public ownership.


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Precisely why the Establishment had to stop him in his tracks, by any means necessary.
#15201657
B0ycey wrote:I don't think you have

I am Maltese; my wife, who I met and married in England, is Maltese; my children are Maltese; my grandchildren are Maltese; and my dog is Maltese, born and bred, I have the license to prove it.

I live in Malta.


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