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By Doug64
#15206007
Drlee wrote:Give me a break. We have a terrible medical system. Absolutely bad. Full stop. Then add to that the inescapable fact that the reason it is bad is that so many people who do not deliver medical care are feeding off of it and you have a disgrace. Every sane country in the world has universal health care of some sort and at a FAR lower cost than we do. This is not "far left".

Funny, how people in the US don’t want the government that runs the Veterans Health Administration in charge of their own health care.

The US has no "far left" of any appreciable size. Biden is center right at best. 40 years ago he would have been far right.

No, the Far Left’s “governments should control everything but the borders” stance would have never been popular with the Far Right. I do agree that in the US the Far Left is only a small minority with positions that are unpopular with most Likely Voters, which is why its veto over the Democrats’ policies is such a problem for the Democratic Party.

Pants-of-dog wrote:I will continue to use English properly and not adopt your weird and incorrect way of describing things simply because they are popular among US conservatives.

Like I said, when you can demonstrate that the US is governed from Brussels instead of Washington, then you can apply European definitions of “Left” and “Right” instead of US ones to US politics.

Your weird blame game is irrelevant, but it does provide a clear example of the exact divisiveness I am discussing, since you are now indulging in that very divisiveness.

“It’s popular, so it is fine for me to hate the Democrats and immigrants because of this”.

Please explain to me how surveying people to learn their views on immigration and reporting the results is “divisive.” Isn’t it generally a good thing to know what voters are thinking? Certainly politicians think so.
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Doug64 wrote:Like I said, when you can demonstrate that the US is governed from Brussels instead of Washington, then you can apply European definitions of “Left” and “Right” instead of US ones to US politics.


No, I will use standard English and do so properly.

Please explain to me how surveying people to learn their views on immigration and reporting the results is “divisive.” Isn’t it generally a good thing to know what voters are thinking? Certainly politicians think so.


For the third time, this set of questions and their answers help vindicate the xenophobia and fear of US conservatives, and alienate foreign born Us residents.

This is the type of crap that keeps Latinos from voting for you, because it sends the message that you do not like them.
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By Drlee
#15206063
Well @Doug64
If the armed, fascist, far right was as big a problem for the Republicans as the small far left is for the democrats, you and I would not be having this discussion.

The problem is that for both parties the idiots are running the agenda so governance by the people is dead.
By Doug64
#15206395
Here's this weekend's round-up of polls. Anyone that wants to check out any possible links over the next week can go to the link to the left. (Anyone wanting more details on a particular poll, just ask):

    Thirty percent (30%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending December 30, 2021. This week’s finding is up three points from a week ago. Sixty-four percent (64%) of voters believe the nation is headed down the wrong track, down three points from a week ago. A year ago at this time, 26% said the United States was heading in the right direction, while 65% said it was on the wrong track.

    Fifty percent (50%) of Likely U.S. voters think the January 6 riot represented a threat to American democracy, while 41% believe it was not. Seventy-five percent (75%) of Democratic voters, 30% of Republicans and 45% of voters unaffiliated with either major party think the Capitol riot was a threat to democracy. Sixty-two percent (62%) of GOP voters, 19% of Democrats and 45% of unaffiliated voters say the January 6 riot did not represent a threat to American democracy. According to the federal Department of Justice, 725 people have been charged in connection with the Capitol riot. Sixty-three percent (63%) of voters say it’s important that the rioters be prosecuted, including 49% who say the prosecutions are Very Important. Fourteen percent (14%) think it’s Not Very Important to prosecute the January 6 rioters, and 20% believe the prosecutions are Not At All Important. Thirty-five percent (35%) of voters – including 57% of Democrats – think the Capitol riot was part of an illegal conspiracy involving Republican officials. Forty-three percent (43%) don’t think January 6 was a GOP conspiracy, while 21% are not sure. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of Republicans don’t believe GOP officials were involved in a riot conspiracy. Unaffiliated voters are more evenly divided, with 46% thinking there was not a January 6 conspiracy and 32% believing Republican officials were involved in an illegal conspiracy.

    Forty-six percent (46%) of Likely U.S. voters have a favorable impression of the FBI, including 15% who have a Very Favorable view of the agency. That’s down from May 2020, when 60% had a favorable impression of the FBI. Forty-seven percent (47%) now view the FBI unfavorably, including 26% who have a Very Unfavorable impression. Roger Stone, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, has said there is “a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo.” Forty-six percent (46%) of voters agree with Stone’s assessment, including 29% who Strongly Agree. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree with Stone’s claim, including 25% who Strongly Disagree. Approval of FBI Director Christopher Wray has declined, and fewer voters now view the FBI director as independent of the administration. Only 10% of voters now say Wray is better than most who held the job before him – down from 13% in May 2020 – while 25% believe Wray is worse than most previous FBI directors, up from 17% in 2020. Thirty-seven percent (37%) think Wray’s performance as FBI director has been about the same as most of his predecessors, and another 28% are not sure. Fifty percent (50%) of voters now believe the FBI director is influenced by the president in his decision-making, while only 26% believe Wray is truly independent of the administration, and another 25% are not sure. That’s a near-complete reversal from May 2017, when 53% believed the FBI director was truly independent and 26% thought he was influenced by the president.

    Forty-five percent (45%) of American Adults say crime has increased in their community over the past year. That’s a sharp rise from January 2018, when just 28% said crime in their community had increased. Only nine percent (9%) now say crime has decreased in their community the past year, while 40% say the level of crime has remained about the same. Thirteen major U.S. cities, including Philadelphia, had record numbers of homicides in 2021. More Republicans (55%) than Democrats (33%) or those not affiliated with either major party (48%) say crime has increased in their community. Asked which is the biggest problem for the U.S. law enforcement and legal system, 52% of Americans say it’s that too many criminals are set free, while just 33% think it’s that too many innocent people are arrested. Another 16% are not sure. Those numbers have changed little since 2018.

    Thirty-four percent (34%) of Likely U.S. voters rate Biden excellent or good for his handling of national security issues. That’s down from 38% in August, in the midst of the Afghanistan withdrawal crisis. Fifty percent (50%) give Biden a poor rating for his handling of national security, up from 48% in August. Voters rate Biden even worse on the economy, with just 32% rating him excellent or good for his handling of economic issues, while 55% give him a poor rating. That continues the president’s declining approval from October, when 51% of voters rated him poor on economic issues. With Biden’s overall job approval ratings now stuck in the low 40s, the decline has impacted his approval on other specific issues, including crime and immigration. In fact, Biden’s economic and national security ratings are worse than the lowest ratings of either of his two immediate predecessors. Former President Donald Trump’s lowest ratings for his handling of both the economy (44% poor) and national security (47% poor) were in July 2017. Former President Barack Obama’s worst rating on the economy was 51% poor in August 2011 while Obama’s lowest rating on national security was 47% poor in January 2016.

    Twenty-eight percent (28%) of Likely U.S. voters believe it is likely Biden will be reelected if he seeks another term in 2024. Thirty-eight percent (38%) think Biden would lose to a Republican candidate in 2024, while 21% say it’s more likely Biden will resign before completing his full term in office. Another 15% are not sure. At 79, Biden is already two years older than former President Ronald Reagan was in 1989 when he left office after two terms. Only 26% of Likely U.S. Voters are Very Confident that Biden is physically and mentally up to the job of being President of the United States. Another 17% say they are Somewhat Confident in Biden’s capability, while 13% are Not Very Confident and 42% are Not At All Confident. Those findings haven’t changed much since October. Just 37% of voters believe Biden is really doing the job of president, while a majority (53%) think others are making decisions for him behind the scenes and another 10% are not sure. Those numbers are nearly identical to October’s findings.

    Fifty-two percent (52%) of Likely U.S. voters have a favorable impression of Trump, including 33% who have a Very Favorable view of him. Forty-seven percent (47%) of voters view Trump unfavorably, including 38% who have a Very Unfavorable impression of the former GOP president. These findings almost exactly reflect the final job approval ratings for Trump in January 2021. Not surprisingly, opinions about Trump are largely divided along party lines, with 63% of Republican voters having a Very Favorable impression of Trump, while 68% of Democrats have a Very Unfavorable of him. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, 24% have a Very Favorable view of Trump and 37% have a Very Unfavorable impression. A majority (52%) of Democratic voters believe most Trump supporters are racist, an opinion shared by just 12% of Republicans and 26% of unaffiliated voters.

    Seventy-four percent (74%) of American Adults say they’ve received a COVID-19 vaccination, while 22% have not. Less than a month ago, 67% said they’d been vaccinated against COVID-19. Of those who have been vaccinated, 67% say they have gotten COVID-19 booster shots, while 32% have not. That means that more than 49% of adults are both vaccinated and boosted. In September, after officials began recommending COVID-19 vaccine boosters, 77% of those who had been vaccinated said they’d be willing to get a booster shot.

    And for Biden's job approval numbers over the past week, same song different verse:

    • Strongly Approve: 20% (-2)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 48%
    • Total Approve: 41%
    • Total Disapprove: 58% (+1)

    Over the past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 21% (-1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 47%
    • Total Approve: 41% (-1)
    • Total Disapprove: 57%

    And since he took office:

    • Strongly Approve: 28%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 43%
    • Total Approve: 47%
    • Total Disapprove: 51%

    For Trump, this week:

    • Strongly Approve: 30% (+1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 44%
    • Total Approve: 44% (-1)
    • Total Disapprove: 54% (+1)

    The past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 29%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 45% (-1)
    • Total Approve: 43%
    • Total Disapprove: 55%

    And since he took office:

    • Strongly Approve: 29%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 44%
    • Total Approve: 45%
    • Total Disapprove: 54%

    And for Obama this week:

    • Strongly Approve: 27% (+1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 40% (-1)
    • Total Approve: 48% (+1)
    • Total Disapprove: 52% (-1)

    Over the past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 26%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 41%
    • Total Approve: 46%
    • Total Disapprove: 53%

    And since his election:

    • Strongly Approve: 33%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 34%
    • Total Approve: 53%
    • Total Disapprove: 46%
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By Drlee
#15206396
And another week of Putin Propaganda is under our belt.

Forty-five percent (45%) of American Adults say crime has increased in their community over the past year.


So this is the Putin way of saying that the majority of Americans say crime has either stayed the same or gone down in their community.

See how propaganda works?

Don't be a tool.
By Doug64
#15206441
@Drlee, in your never ending quest for justifications for your detestation of Rasmussen polls, you find the weirdest, most nitpicky things to focus on. That 45% plurality is a 60% increase over 2018, naturally it leads. Is Rasmussen guilty of pro-FBI propaganda because they led with the 46% that have a favorable impression of the agency rather than the 47% that have an unfavorable impression? How about all the news channels that report Biden’s low job approval numbers rather than the high disapproval numbers? Are they all Putin acolytes?
By late
#15206442
Doug64 wrote:
@Drlee, in your never ending quest for justifications for your detestation of Rasmussen polls, you find the weirdest, most nitpicky things to focus on. That 45% plurality is a 60% increase over 2018, naturally it leads. Is Rasmussen guilty of pro-FBI propaganda because they led with the 46% that have a favorable impression of the agency rather than the 47% that have an unfavorable impression? How about all the news channels that report Biden’s low job approval numbers rather than the high disapproval numbers? Are they all Putin acolytes?



Your obsession with Rasmussen is hard to miss.

You could be using RCP's poll of polls, which includes Rasmussen. But you want that bias..

Dr Lee has another good point, Putin is deeply involved in this mess, and the unwillingness of the Right to face that ugly truth is a recipe for disaster. You are being played.
By Doug64
#15206569
@late, RCP's Poll of Polls doesn't cover anywhere like the number of issues as Rasmussen's polls, and with RCP I can't do this:

Over the past year, has crime in your community increased, decreased or stayed about the same?

  • Increased 45%
  • Decreased 9%
  • Stayed about the same 40%
  • Not sure 6%

Republicans
  • Increased 55%
  • Decreased 9%
  • Stayed about the same 32%
  • Not sure 5%

Independents
  • Increased 48%
  • Decreased 7%
  • Stayed about the same 38%
  • Not sure 7%

Democrats
  • Increased 33%
  • Decreased 12%
  • Stayed about the same 48%
  • Not sure 8%

Which is a bigger problem for the U.S. law enforcement and legal system, that too many innocent people are arrested or that too many criminals are set free?

  • Too many innocent people are arrested 33%
  • Too many criminals are set free 52%
  • Not sure 16%

Republicans
  • Too many innocent people are arrested 19%
  • Too many criminals are set free 74%
  • Not sure 7%

Independents
  • Too many innocent people are arrested 33%
  • Too many criminals are set free 47%
  • Not sure 20%

Democrats
  • Too many innocent people are arrested 43%
  • Too many criminals are set free 39%
  • Not sure 18%

@Drlee, you'll note that the only reason the overall plurality for the first question is lower than the combined "Decreased" and "Stayed about the same" is because of Democrats, both the Republican majority and Independent plurality are larger than the other two combined numbers.
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By Godstud
#15206640
:roll: Perceptions of crime increases have been wrong. Crime has descreased in the last 30+ years. Idiots keep thinking it though, so the polls mean fuck, and all. Idiots like you like to pretend you are giving facts by spreading polls that mean nothing.


'Overall crime decreased in 2020' in the U.S., report finds
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Kessler, who said he has followed right-wing media closely, accused it of "stoking a fiction of chaos and lawlessness throughout America" that is "not supported by the data."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... s-n1278938

You're just another peddler of bullshit.
By Doug64
#15206745
@late, how does the phrasing of those questions make them "push polls"?
By late
#15206789
Doug64 wrote:
@late, how does the phrasing of those questions make them "push polls"?



It's the questions, not the phrasing, it's usually a false narrative.
By Doug64
#15206904
Godstud wrote::roll: Perceptions of crime increases have been wrong. Crime has descreased in the last 30+ years.

Forget the past thirty years, overall crime dropped in 2020. But it's easy to see why Likely Voters think that crime went up because violent crime did go up--5% for all violent crime and 25% for homicides, I believe. You know the saying, if it bleeds it leads--what have they been seeing in their daily news, whatever news channel or newspaper? The news reports of the massive smash-and-grabs likely didn't help.

late wrote:It's the questions, not the phrasing, it's usually a false narrative.

Uh.... No. Push polling is designed to influence voter opinions through the use of loaded questions. So how are either of those questions "loaded"?
By late
#15206925
Doug64 wrote:
Uh.... No. Push polling is designed to influence voter opinions through the use of loaded questions. So how are either of those questions "loaded"?



That has already been gone over in this thread.

You want that bias, you want to pretend it isn't there. That ain't exactly new news...
By Doug64
#15207381
late wrote:That has already been gone over in this thread.

Really? When were the wording of those two questions analyzed in this thread by anyone? They haven't. So let me ask again, how are either of those two questions "loaded"?

Here's this weekend's round-up of polls. Anyone that wants to check out any possible links over the next week can go to the link to the left. (Anyone wanting more details on a particular poll, just ask):

    Thirty percent (30%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending January 6, 2022, This week’s finding remains the same as a week ago. Sixty-five percent (65%) of voters believe the nation is headed down the wrong track, up one point from a week ago. A year ago at this time, 23% said the United States was heading in the right direction, while 67% said it was on the wrong track.

    The Rasmussen Reports Immigration Index for the week of January 2-6, 2022, decreased to 88.9 down more than a point from 90.2 two weeks earlier. The Immigration Index has been under the baseline in every survey since Election Day last year, and reached a record low of 82.3 in late March. The index is now about 16 points below where it was in late October 2020, indicating voters are looking for tighter immigration control from President Joe Biden’s administration.

    Fifty-one percent (51%) of American Adults believe it’s better for the owners of social media like Facebook and Twitter to allow free speech without interference. That’s down from 61% in January 2018. Thirty-five percent (35%) now think it’s better for social media companies to regulate what is posted to make sure some people are not offended, up from 23% in 2018. Online censorship has made headlines lately, with Twitter banning Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene from their platform and Facebook being sued by libertarian commentator John Stossell. Increased support for such censorship appears to be largely driven by politics. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of Democrats think social media companies should regulate what is posted to make sure some people are not offended, up from 25% in 2018. Most Republicans (72%) and those unaffiliated with either major party (54%) still believe Facebook and Twitter should allow free speech without interference.

    If the election were held today, just 40% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote to reelect Biden, while 46% would vote for Trump. Another 10% would choose some other candidate in a Biden-Trump rematch. Trump would get 81% support from GOP voters and Biden would get 75% of Democrats if the election were held today. Among voters not affiliated with either major party, however, Trump would win by a 16-point margin, with 45% to Biden’s 29% of the vote. The survey found that a majority (52%) have an unfavorable impression of Biden, including 42% who have a Very Unfavorable view of the president. Forty-six percent (46%) view Biden favorably, including 28% who have a Very Favorable impression of him. By comparison, 51% of voters view Trump favorably, including 31% who have a Very Favorable impression of the former president.

    After the new district attorney in New York City announced he will not seek prison sentences for many crimes, and will treat many felony cases as misdemeanors, most voters expect crime to increase in the Big Apple. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Likely U.S. voters think Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg’s policy is likely to lead to an increase in crime. Only eight percent (8%) think Bragg’s policy is likely to decrease crime, while 23% don’t think the policy will make much difference. Bragg, who was elected in November, announced the new policy in a memo to his staff last week. New York Post columnist John Podhoretz denounced the policy as “psychotic” and “a gift to the GOP.” Most voters don’t want such a policy in their communities, and favor Republicans as the anti-crime party. Fifty-eight percent (58%) would be less likely to vote for a candidate for office in their community who advocated reducing or eliminating prison sentences for most crimes. Just 18% would be more likely to vote for a candidate who advocated such a policy, while another 18% said it wouldn’t make much difference in their vote. Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters trust Republicans more to deal with the problem of violent crime, compared to 26% who trust Democrats more. Twenty-two percent (22%) think the two parties are about the same in dealing with violent crime. Those findings are almost identical to our December survey that found 68% of voters believe crime is getting worse.

    Forty-eight percent (48%) of Likely U.S. voters oppose elimination of the Senate’s filibuster rule, which can prevent a vote from taking place unless 60 senators agree. Forty percent (40%) support changing Senate rules so that a vote must be held whenever a majority of senators agree. Twelve percent (12%) are not sure. Even more voters agree with Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer – when the New York Democrat was in the minority and defended the filibuster. “The legislative filibuster… is the most important distinction between the Senate and the House,” Schumer said in 2017. “Without the 60-vote threshold for legislation, the Senate becomes a majoritarian institution like the House... no Senator would like to see that happen.” Fifty-eight percent (58%) of voters agree with that quote from Schumer, including 39% who Strongly Agree. Twenty-five percent (25%) disagree, including 11% who Strongly Disagree, while 18% are not sure. While 66% of Democratic voters now favor eliminating the filibuster, 74% of Republicans oppose changing the Senate rule, and a majority (51%) of voters not affiliated with either major party are also against ending the filibuster rule. In April 2017, when Senate Democrats were opposing then-President Donald Trump’s nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, 70% of Democratic voters were against eliminating the filibuster rule.

    Forty-eight percent (48%) of voters favor President Joe Biden’s plan to impose a COVID-19 vaccine mandate on the employees of large companies and government agencies. That includes 33% who Strongly Favor the mandate. Forty-eight percent (48%) are opposed to Biden’s vaccine mandate, including 40% who Strongly Oppose the mandate. Voters are similarly divided over the federal government’s top COVID-19 expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci. Forty-five percent (45%) view Fauci favorably, including 28% who have a Very Favorable impression of him. Forty-eight percent (48%) have an unfavorable impression of Fauci, including 34% who have a Very Unfavorable view of him. The even split among voters is the result of deep partisan divisions. While 78% of Democratic voters support the Biden administration’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate plan, only 22% of Republicans and 41% of voters not affiliated with either major party support the vaccine mandate. And many Democrats would support even harsher measures, including fines for Americans who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine and criminal punishment for vaccine critics.

    Twenty-five percent (25%) of American Adults believe race relations in the nation today are good or excellent, including just eight percent (8%) who rate them as excellent. That’s barely changed from April 2021. Thirty-five percent (35%) now give U.S. race relations a poor rating, down from 44% last spring. Forty-five percent (45%) now say race relations in America are getting worse, down from an all-time high of 54% in April 2021. Only 20% now say race relations in America are getting better – up from 16% last spring – while 29% believe race relations are staying about the same. Fewer whites (24%) than blacks (27%) or other minorities (29%) rate the current state of U.S. race relations good or excellent. More blacks (25%) than whites (21%) or other minorities (15%) say race relations are getting better.

    Economic confidence fell to 97.3 in this month’s Rasmussen Reports Economic Index, nearly two points lower than December. January’s decline follows two consecutive months of gains since hitting 96.6 in October, which was the lowest index since May 2020. Enthusiasm about the economy surged under former President Donald Trump, reaching as high as 147.8 in January 2020 before tumbling after the coronavirus lockdown threw Americans out of work and closed many businesses. By November 2020, it had recovered to 126.4, but dropped sharply in the three months after President Joe Biden was elected. The index fell to 97.8 in February 2021 before beginning a three-month rebound that took the index to 123.7 in May, followed by a five-month streak of declines. Twenty-eight percent (28%) of American Adults rate the economy as good or excellent this month, down four points from last month and 14 points below the 42% mark in November 2020. The number who rate the economy as poor was 40%, one point less than December. Nineteen percent (19%) now think the economy is getting better, down four points from last month. Fifty-seven percent (57%) expect a worsening economy, up one point from December. Nineteen percent (19%) now see things staying about the same, up five points from last month. There has been a remarkable reversal since President Biden was elected, as Democrats are now more bullish on the economy than Republicans. Forty-one percent (41%) of Democrats view the economy as good or excellent, compared to 20% of Republicans and 21% of those not affiliated with either major party. GOP confidence has declined 54 points since November 2020, when 74% of Republicans had a positive view of the economy, while Democrats’ confidence has risen nine points from 32% before Biden’s election.

    I didn't really think Biden's numbers could get any worse, but he's proven me wrong:

    • Strongly Approve: 20%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 49% (+1)
    • Total Approve: 40% (-1)
    • Total Disapprove: 59% (+1)

    Over the past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 20% (-1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 48% (+1)
    • Total Approve: 41%
    • Total Disapprove: 58% (+1)

    And since he took office:

    • Strongly Approve: 28%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 43%
    • Total Approve: 47%
    • Total Disapprove: 52% (+1)

    For Trump, this week:

    • Strongly Approve: 29% (-1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 44%
    • Total Approve: 44%
    • Total Disapprove: 55% (+1)

    The past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 29%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 44% (-1)
    • Total Approve: 44% (+1)
    • Total Disapprove: 54% (-1)

    And since he took office:

    • Strongly Approve: 29%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 44%
    • Total Approve: 45%
    • Total Disapprove: 54%

    And for Obama this week:

    • Strongly Approve: 26% (-1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 41% (+1)
    • Total Approve: 46% (-2)
    • Total Disapprove: 53% (+1)

    Over the past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 26%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 41%
    • Total Approve: 46%
    • Total Disapprove: 53%

    And since his election:

    • Strongly Approve: 33%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 34%
    • Total Approve: 52% (-1)
    • Total Disapprove: 46%
By late
#15207412
Doug64 wrote:
Really?




Yes, just before we started in on this.

Hopefully you aren't seeing it because you don't want to.
By Doug64
#15207414
late wrote:Yes, just before we started in on this.

Hopefully you aren't seeing it because you don't want to.

Nope, when I posted the questions and results the full extend of your “analysis” was “Push polls..” So do you want to try again?
By late
#15207419
Doug64 wrote:
Nope, when I posted the questions and results the full extend of your “analysis” was “Push polls..” So do you want to try again?



You weren't paying attention then, you're not paying attention now.

You're looking for a dumb excuse.
#15207443
@Doug64

Let us look at one of these questions:

“Which is a bigger problem for the U.S. law enforcement and legal system, that too many innocent people are arrested or that too many criminals are set free?”

This is why it is a loaded question:

1. First of all, it implies a false dilemma. Both could be serious problems for police forces.

2. It creates the false dilemma along obviously partisan lines. Letting guilty people go free is what those filthy Democrats do, while Republicans are mature enough to understand that cops sometimes make mistakes and justifiably and accidentally arrest or kill an innocent black, poor, or mentally ill person.

3. It is pointless. This question does not help anyone understand anything useful, except let Republicans know how well their media portrayals of Democrats are working among their electorate.
By Doug64
#15207947
Doug64 wrote:Nope, when I posted the questions and results the full extend of your “analysis” was “Push polls..” So do you want to try again?

late wrote:You weren't paying attention then, you're not paying attention now.

You're looking for a dumb excuse.

It seems your answer is "No, I have no interest in explaining how they are push polls, they just are."

Pants-of-dog wrote:@Doug64

Let us look at one of these questions:

“Which is a bigger problem for the U.S. law enforcement and legal system, that too many innocent people are arrested or that too many criminals are set free?”

This is why it is a loaded question:

1. First of all, it implies a false dilemma. Both could be serious problems for police forces.

2. It creates the false dilemma along obviously partisan lines. Letting guilty people go free is what those filthy Democrats do, while Republicans are mature enough to understand that cops sometimes make mistakes and justifiably and accidentally arrest or kill an innocent black, poor, or mentally ill person.

3. It is pointless. This question does not help anyone understand anything useful, except let Republicans know how well their media portrayals of Democrats are working among their electorate.

No, there is no false dilemma. The question doesn't ask which is a serious problem, it asks which is a bigger problem. And for a large majority of Republicans and a plurality of Independents it was too many criminals being set free, leaving the plurality of Democrats to see too many innocents being arrested as the bigger problem. That takes care of your first two objections. As for your third, it is anything but pointless--the Soros-backed Leftist D.A.s that are going easy on criminals are doing serious damage to the Democratic brand, and if those Democrats running the various cities and state parties don't do something about them, they are going to help elect more Republicans.
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