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7 members of hospital A, Thedacare, ask for a pay raise from their employer.

The hospital refuses.

After approaching ThedaCare with the chance to match the offers they'd been given, Breister wrote that they were told "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," and no counter-offer would be made.


They get hired at Hospital B, St. Elizabeth's.

ThedaCare sues the workers, and file an injunction prevent their workers from starting their new jobs at St. Elizabeth's.

The judge grants the injunction. :hmm: They are not legally allowed to go to work for any other hospital except Thedacare.

In the State of Wisconsin, ostensibly an at will employment state, the law can now prevent workers from quitting their jobs.

A dispute over workers between two Fox Valley health care providers is now before an Outagamie County judge.

Thursday morning, ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction against Ascension Wisconsin, saying it could cause the community harm by recruiting a majority of its comprehensive stroke care team.

We’re told seven of the 11 members of that team accepted positions with Ascension Wisconsin to work at St. Elizabeth Hospital. That transition would begin Friday, January 21.

ThedaCare operates the only Level II trauma and comprehensive stroke care unit in the Fox Valley. It says losing these workers could impact its ability to have people on call 24/7, which is necessary for accreditation.

https://www.wbay.com/2022/01/20/thedaca ... r-dispute/
#15208546
Rugoz wrote:No freedom in healthcare, in particular for doctors/specialists. On the plus side, wages are high.


Is healthcare privatized or not? A free market, something you consistently defend, should not only be free for one actor.
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#15208548
Rugoz wrote:No freedom in healthcare, in particular for doctors/specialists. On the plus side, wages are high.

So they're house slaves then?

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#15208553
It's an injunction, " a temporary restraining order".

It's not likely that the situation will stand. Even if a judge does give them time, it will be a limited amount.

The problem is, after this, is will they really be able to hire replacement staff? It's an awkward situation, but not indentured servitude...
#15208568
Who would have thought the road to sefdom would be lined with profit motives.
#15208589
It is quite shocking because it is but one benefit of the working class to have varying degrees of mobility between work. That while they cannot be free from having to work for the capitalist class, they have some opportunity to work for another capitalist. Here its totally erased and for what?
#15208593
Potemkin wrote:Maybe the Libertarians will finally get their wish and late capitalism will gracefully segue into full-blown feudalism…. :)

BuT tHe SaNcTiTy Of CoNtRaCtS
#15208768
Wellsy wrote:
It is quite shocking because it is but one benefit of the working class to have varying degrees of mobility between work. That while they cannot be free from having to work for the capitalist class, they have some opportunity to work for another capitalist. Here its totally erased and for what?



My pet theory here is that the health care workers are achieving a kind of *celebrity* status, which is upsetting to the status quo.

How does the NBA (etc.) handle this kind of situation, where individual workers (players) may become their own cottage industries due to media / cultural focus on them -- ?
#15208769
ckaihatsu wrote:
My pet theory here is that the health care workers are achieving a kind of *celebrity* status, which is upsetting to the status quo.



Quite the opposite. They got attention at the beginning, but now when they get attention, it's often negative. Which is crazy, but it's a crazy country.

A lot of them leave because they've burned out. In this case, it's about money. The demand exceeds the supply, so wages are going up. If you won't pay the going wage, you lose.
#15208770
ckaihatsu wrote:My pet theory here is that the health care workers are achieving a kind of *celebrity* status, which is upsetting to the status quo.

How does the NBA (etc.) handle this kind of situation, where individual workers (players) may become their own cottage industries due to media / cultural focus on them -- ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign-and-trade_deal#:~:text=In%20the%20National%20Basketball%20Association,to%20another%20team%20of%20the
Instead of just losing a player to becoming a free agent and not getting money or a replacement player they do a trade with the interested team. If they are a restricted free agent then they can’t entirely get out of their initial teams contract and have to be traded while the unrestricted one can sign with any team.

So the analogy might put these as restricted free agents but it doesn’t seem to necessarily go that far of having someone matching costs and trading as workers aren’t so directly tradable as the NBA player except as an imposition on what would be their usual quality as an “unrestricted free agent”.
I’m not sure the role of celebrity in either case other than for an NBA player it may play into their higher demand for other potential teams.

To me just seems healthcare sectors is struggling during an overwhelming pandemic and some are looking to get better paid during the shitstorm but now are being forced to stay with a particular workplace. Under what precedent and reasoning I can’t tell.
#15208771
late wrote:
Quite the opposite. They got attention at the beginning, but now when they get attention, it's often negative. Which is crazy, but it's a crazy country.

A lot of them leave because they've burned out. In this case, it's about money.


late wrote:
The demand exceeds the supply, so wages are going up. If you won't pay the going wage, you lose.



What exactly are you counterposing *to* -- ?

Since the health care workers' labor is being *increasingly* valued -- higher wages paid-out -- my characterization of their value / status, still stands:


ckaihatsu wrote:
*celebrity* status
#15208775
ckaihatsu wrote:

Since the health care workers' labor is being *increasingly* valued -- higher wages paid-out -- my characterization of their value / status, still stands:




The anti-vaxxers keep venting their frustrations on health care workers. It's the opposite of celebrity.

And while you are seeing some improvement in wages, that should have happened years ago, and there are a lot of places that have not improved wages or working conditions, like Thedacare..
#15208782
late wrote:
The anti-vaxxers keep venting their frustrations on health care workers. It's the opposite of celebrity.

And while you are seeing some improvement in wages, that should have happened years ago, and there are a lot of places that have not improved wages or working conditions, like Thedacare..



Why are you being *argumentative* instead of addressing my point about worker value / wages -- ?

Sure, it's not like the health care workers have their own *paparazzi*, so it's not celebrity in *that* sense.

Since employers are screaming their heads off about consumer inflation right now and blaming *wages* / workers for it, I think that, yes, workers *are* enjoying some newfound public support and positive sentiments, which is 'celebrity' of a sort.

*You'd* rather be glass-half-empty, contentious, and argumentative, unfortunately.
#15208794
ckaihatsu wrote:
Why are you being *argumentative* instead of addressing my point about worker value / wages -- ?

Sure, it's not like the health care workers have their own *paparazzi*, so it's not celebrity in *that* sense.

Since employers are screaming their heads off about consumer inflation right now and blaming *wages* / workers for it, I think that, yes, workers *are* enjoying some newfound public support and positive sentiments, which is 'celebrity' of a sort.

*You'd* rather be glass-half-empty, contentious, and argumentative, unfortunately.



It simply isn't celebrity, in any sense of the word. Most are underpaid, burned out or getting burned out and the result is a flood of health care workers looking for better jobs.

As I pointed out earlier, their modest wages are going up, due to supply issues. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with celebrity.

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