Saeko wrote:@XogGyux
You are missing the point entirely. No, these things are not considered rape currently, but in a country where women do not have the right to seek medical treatment for unwanted pregnancy, men must also accept culpability for accidentally imposing such unwanted and legally unremediable medical conditions.
Manslaughter is not murder, but it is still a very serious crime involving the accidental imposition of an unwanted medical condition (death).
It is not considered rape because it is not rape. Accidentally causing harm to anyone (just to follow your logic) does not equate rape. This sort of verbose augmentation for the sake of making an emotional appeal is ridiculous, it is the same as when anti-abortion people try to claim a collection of cells/embryo or early fetus is a child and that an abortion is a murder. In both instances, the intent is to distract from the topic and appeal to the emotional blizzard brain.
Don't fall for that trap.
@Drlee
It is not punishment. I know of not a single mother who feels her baby, wanted or not, is a punishment.
You phrased it as a punishment. An imposed consequence for an action that you had (pregnancy to term for sex) is by definition a punishment.
Are we to see the end of personal responsibility?
You tell me. What does "personal responsibility" mean to you?
Should we legislate against a former smoker ever getting a lung transplant? Isen't that personal responsibility? Isen't it a slap in the face for a cystic fibrosis patient is skipped over for a donor lung to give it to someone that was not responsible during his or her youth? At least half, but probably far more, of what we do in medicine is to address something that occurred as a result of "poor" personal responsibility. Most heart attacks and strokes happen to people that don't have a healthy lifestyle, that don't exercise, that eat poor diets, that smoke, that are overweight. The vast majority of lung cancers are due to smoking and lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death.
It is hard to justify this hardline "personal responsibility" excuse to justify imposing this burden on the body of women without having to take rather obtuse positions when it comes to other medical conditions. Personal responsibility is not a good argument at all. It is merely a way to disguise a punishment for a perceived "lifestyle", and of course, even this is a distorted view of reality because not all abortions occur as a consequence of an inmature woman casually having unprotected sex.
Does this apply if someone gets drunk and buys a car? Should they have the right to bring the car back three months later?
This is another way by which your argument fails. I have no problem if the drunk guy is "punished" by "totalling his car" (assuming that is the extent of the accident and nobody else got injured). I would not lose sleep over it.
And who governs the people of a state? (Hint. It is not the government of the US.) It is the people of that state. If they want to alibi bad behavior, careless behavior, dangerous behavior, whatever, they can pass laws to do that. The beef should not be with the SCOTUS but rather with the individual states which wish to ban abortion.
This is just a scapegoat. Ultimately it does not matter who makes the ban, the hospital, the city, the county, the state or the country. A ban is a ban no matter where it comes from.
We will get much better welfare after this.
eh?