- 18 May 2022 14:56
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Some reality check in the minimalist style of a real Russian bear from Moscow, inside Russia. And it's just in as if he knew how much it was needed.
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Politics_Observer wrote:@Rancid
It's almost like Putin is making the same mistakes as Adolf Hitler in that Adolf Hitler got involved in operational planning instead of permitting his generals to do their job with disastrous consequences for Germany.
Rancid wrote:It's being reported that Putin is getting more involved in the operational level decision making.
Beren wrote:Putin involved in war ‘at level of colonel or brigadier’, say western sources
Politics_Observer wrote:@Rancid
It's almost like Putin is making the same mistakes as Adolf Hitler in that Adolf Hitler got involved in operational planning instead of permitting his generals to do their job with disastrous consequences for Germany.
JohnRawls wrote:
@Rancid
It is not necessarily bad by itself that he is getting involved. Hitler was correct in the objectives that his generals couldn't understand. Military strategy is not the same as a strategy from the person who is leading a country. Hitlers push since day 1 for Caucases oil was correct and people like Halder undermined that plan. Hitler specifically said that Barbarossas initial objective was obviously to defeat the USSR and make them capitulate but specifically to capture the Baku oil. He pushed that after it was clear that Barbarossa was not going to capitulate Russia but his main planners didn't even listen that well. Then Stalingrad only happened in 1943 basically which should have been in 1941 by Hitlers logic.
What I am trying to say that the downside of being involved is that you will be "guilty" of the loss of sorts like the Tsar but the leader taking main charge puts the overall strategic objectives straight. So its a complicated subject.
Rancid wrote:Maybe, but history still suggests, this is a bad move.
It is not strategy he is engaging in, but operational level stuff too. Micro managers usually fail.
JohnRawls wrote:
Soviet system is micromanagement basically top to bottom command. In an ideal world it works better than the NATO decentralised system but we don't live in an ideal world which is the problem. Communications break, orders don't arrive, high level commanders not present on the field don't fully understnad what is happening on the field and so on.
It is like video games in a sense whatever you play. Age of Empires and other strategy games is basically the Soviet System that works when you have instant top to bottom and bottom to top feedback loops and communications. Can it work in real life? Well yes, Soviet Army wasn't as bad as the current Russian army and Soviets defeated plenty of their own enemies.
NATOs system is a bit different although very similar. NATO system is also centralised and top to bottom but the difference is that NATO/European military theory accepts German military thinking or basically Claushwitz and his best student Moltke. Discipline is required but warfare is an free artistic activity that requires localised decision making on place not necessarily by highest leadership all the time.
Rancid wrote:I thought it was Napoleon that innovated this localized decision making style, not the Germans?
War is the realm of uncertainty; three quarters of the factors on which action in war is based are wrapped in a fog of greater or lesser uncertainty. A sensitive and discriminating judgment is called for; a skilled intelligence to scent out the truth.
Rancid wrote:It is not strategy he is engaging in, but operational level stuff too.
Beren wrote:It seems he's commanding BTGs, which is pretty much analogous to if Hitler had been commanding divisions during Operation Barbarossa. I wonder if he was directly involved in the river-crossing fiasco as well.
Rancid wrote:That would be fucking hilarious if he's the jackass that ordered the river crossing attempt.
Beren wrote:Everything's just going fine for Russia, comrades.
One just must love Lukashenko's demeanor.
Wulfschilde wrote:Economically the rouble is now at a three-year high. The western plan was always to make Russia economically unable to continue the war. Now the plan is to have Ukraine win militarily?
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Economically the rouble is now at a three-year high. The western plan was always to make Russia economically unable to continue the war. Now the plan is to have Ukraine win militarily?
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