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Wulfschilde wrote:Ugh, no. The Russians make their own equipment and are exporters of it too. Cutting off tech exports to them is not going to make their military fail.
Deutsche Welle wrote:Chancellor Olaf Scholz tells German parliament 'Russia must not win this war', 'Russia will not dictate a peace'
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has delivered a statement to the German parliament ahead of an EU summit on the war in Ukraine. Scholz described the war in Ukraine as the greatest crisis facing the EU in its history.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz addressed Germany's lower house of parliament, the Bundestag, on Thursday ahead of an extraordinary EU summit on Ukraine later this month.
Scholz was widely expected to use the speech to outline his policy surrounding the conflict, which has now raged for nearly three months.
He has faced heavy criticism over his response to the war, perceived by some critics as weak and overcautious.
Berlin has been criticized for a delay in sending heavy weapons to Ukraine and, unlike many other European leaders, Scholz has still not visited Kyiv.
What did Scholz say about the war in Ukraine?
Scholz called the war the greatest crisis facing the EU in its history. But he said that European solidarity was the counterweight to autocracy in President Vladimir Putin's Russia.
"Peace is only something we can take for granted if we are prepared to defend it. This is the lesson that we have learned from the brutal Russian attack on Ukraine," he said.
Scholz described the Ukraine war as a "turning point in history." He said EU member states would, as in other crises, confront it with solidarity.
"The greater the pressure from the outside, the more we join forces as the European Union and act together."
"We all share one goal, Russia must not win this war, Ukraine must prevail," Scholz said.
This is why, he explained, Germany has been supporting Ukraine with aid and even heavy weapons, as well as taking in Ukrainian refugees.
"A brutally attacked country needs help in defending itself and doing so cannot be termed escalation," he said.
Scholz praises EU solidarity
"Friends in Sweden and Finland, you are most cordially welcome. With you on our side NATO will become even stronger and Europe even safer," the chancellor said, in reference to the bids launched by the two Nordic countries on Wednesday.
"We as the European Union must pave the way for a solidarity fund fed by membership fees from the European Union and our international partners. That way we will help the Ukrainians to clear the destruction and to rebuild," he said.
Ukraine remains part of our "European family" Scholz said, adding that Ukraine needs long-term support while it requests to join the EU, something for which there is no "shortcut."
The chancellor pointed to the Western Balkan countries that have been seeking EU membership for years, saying they should not be overlooked. He said he would attend the EU summit "with the clear message that the Western Balkans belong in the European Union".
Bringing up the energy crisis, he said "our aim is clear, we want to ensure that we increase Europe's sovereignty with regard to energy and achieve our climate goals together."
"It is my firm conviction that we will overcome the impacts here in Europe and across the globe, because we here are a strong country, we have strong partners and strong alliances," Scholz said in his concluding remarks. "But also, because we know what we are defending: peace, liberty, and rule of law."
What is the special summit about?
The extraordinary EU summit on May 30 and 31 is expected to focus on the war in Ukraine and its consequences.
Possible topics for heads of state and government who are to meet in Brussels are a planned oil embargo against Russia and the EU Commission's long-term plan to wean the bloc off Russian fossil fuels.
They could also discuss the prospect of Ukraine joining the EU, although a decision on the country's candidate status is to be made in June at the earliest.
Marathon session of debates and votes
Scholz's statement was scheduled ahead of a debate lasting just under two hours, expected to address the same themes.
The Bundestag was also set to discuss and vote on numerous other bills on Thursday as part of a marathon 14-hour session. They included a new coronavirus relief package, the enforcement of Russia sanctions, funding for the cheaper public transport and accelerated construction of liquefied natural gas terminals.
Politics_Observer wrote:@Igor Antunov
It now looks like in the Russian occupied areas of Ukraine, a partisan war broke out. I thought you said there could be no partisan war in Ukraine. It was a REALLY, REALLY stupid move for Russia to invade Ukraine. What on Earth was Putin thinking? I mean, just the terrible judgement and the stupidity of it all. It just keeps getting worse for Russia every day. You can also be rest assured that those Ukrainians in the southern part of Ukraine, found to be cooperating with the Russian controlled government there, will be targeted by Ukrainian partisans. I am also sure that government officials of the Russian controlled government in the south will be targeted by Ukrainian partisans. This is a helluva mess Russia finds itself in currently. There doesn't seem to be any good way out for Putin.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ru ... a2f9d7e863
CNN reporting, cannot verify
JohnRawls wrote:Cool for you i guess? This kind of misses the point that Mariupol defenders completed their objective of holding back Russian forces until they depleted themselves already. They overfulfilled in this regard.
So what is Russia going to do now when they are depleted and capable of very limited offensives while Ukraine is mobilising and arming new battle formations with Western weapons?
As much as I see it, either Russia continues to do limited offensives but that will deplete them even more in hope to prevent bulk deployment of new battle ready formations for the offensive. Or Russia goes in to full entrentchment mode and try to withstand the inevitable offensive that will come.
Both solutions are kinda shit since first one trades more casualties but sustaining initiative while the 2nd one produces less casualties in shorter term while loosing most of initiative. Both of the solution don't solve the main problem that ultimately Ukraine has more capability to deploy/mobilise troops with far larger Western industrial base while Russia can't simply keep up either with stored units or production. It is a loose faster or loose slower situation for Russia.
Igor Antunov wrote:Yeah ok. And in actual news;
1,800 Azov POW's now, the number more than doubled and they're still hiding down there, there's more.
Russians have begun retaking areas around Kharkiv
The donbas cauldron is closing. Severodonetsk is fast becoming another Mariupol, now surrounded on 3 sides, with Kiev having sent 5,000 additional troops from kharkiv front (on top of the 30,000 stationed in the city) into the meat grinder.
Depleted? Russia is just getting started. It hasn't even mobilized. Bulk of its armed forces aren't even being used, its ammunition stockpiles are endless, it's war industries churning along as usual.
Beren wrote: [...] Germany has decided to lead.
JohnRawls wrote:Why do you think that Russia is not mobilizing? Ukraine is also not fighting with all its force by your logic since 60-70 percent of Ukranian forces are guarding the borders.
ISW wrote:Unknown Russian perpetrators conducted a series of Molotov cocktail attacks on Russian military commissariats throughout the country in May, likely in protest of covert mobilization. Russian media and local Telegram channels reported deliberate acts of arson against military commissariats in three Moscow Oblast settlements—Omsk, Volgograd, Ryazan Oblast, and Khanty-Mansi Autonomous District—between May 4 and May 18. Ukrainian General Staff Main Operations Deputy Chief Oleksiy Gromov said that there were at least 12 cases of deliberate arson against military commissariats in total and five last week. Russian officials caught two 16-year-olds in the act in one Moscow Oblast settlement, which suggests that Russian citizens are likely responsible for the attacks on military commissariats.
Beren wrote:He means Russia hasn't mobilised its reservists. Which doesn't seem entirely true, by the way.
JohnRawls wrote:I know that the difference is that I am asking Igor why hasn't they tried doing it openly yet if it is the logical step in his mind. Also "not all forces fighting" argument also requires clarification from his side since by that logic Ukraine is also not commiting all of its forces.
Beren wrote:He implies Russia's just heating up and could easily escalate and go to full-scale war with Ukraine, which seems a theoretical possibility rather than a real one. How come some of you are still so interested in his trolling and boasting?
JohnRawls wrote:I mean this is a forum and his a old time forum poster. I doubt that he is actually trolling, he believes his ideas.
Igor Antunov wrote:
Boom: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodi ... 022-05-19/
late wrote:China pays a lot less than the West for oil.
Further, building a new pipeline to send China more oil would take a decade. Thousand of miles through undeveloped land.
Lastly, while everybody is going to be hurt by inflation, we have advantages. Our domestic oil will hold down prices here.
On the other hand, we've thrown the Russian economy off a cliff. If you don't want to become a 3rd world country, just stop.
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