Godstud wrote:The only Nazis in Ukraine are the Russian invaders.
I guess there's no Nazis in Ukraine in the same way there were no military interventions by the US in Thailand during the cold war.
if forced to choose I would prefer to live under Pax Zelenski than Pax Putin. I prefer to live under Pax Biden than to live under, Pax Xi, Pax Assad or Pax Taliban. But at the same time I recognise that when Biden says “We Choose Truth Over Facts”, what he's saying is fundamentally Putinesque. When Biden says truth he means what many of us would better describe as doctrine. Biden is saying we will not tolerate facts that undermine our doctrines or narratives.
And before anyone accuses me of giving the right a pass. Trump's offer to pay the legal fees of anyone who assaulted a protester at his rally's is text book fascism. Trump's demand to put Hilary in jail is thoroughly fascistic. Democracy works on the principle that losers go into opposition rather prison or the firing squad. Both Trump and Hilary, with her, can't we drone strike Assaunge, had strong fascistic impulses. The majority of humanity if not actualised fascists are latent fascists and it takes surprisingly little stimulus to bring out those latent tendencies.
Anyway there very clearly are significant neo Nazi movements in Ukraine. Accepting this fact doesn't mean we have to support Putin in taking over the place. in 1939 ethnic Germans in Danzig and in Poland were having their rights compromised. But recognising this fact doesn't mean we should have allowed Hitler to conquer Poland unchallenged. it is possible to recognise the greater evil, while still recognising that evil is pretty much never absolutely confined to one side. It is possible to recognise the greater evil in a time and place and to act against that greater evil, while still recognising that the greater evil may well change with time and place.
In Ukraine I suggest a further even more radical step. Not only that we recognise the evil of significant Neo Nazi organisation in Ukraine. But for the time being it is a necessary evil. Whether through cowardice or prudence, we are not prepared to send our forces into Ukraine. Without the Azov formation and other far right militias Ukraine would not have survived as an independent state.