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#15226852
Godstud wrote:LIES LIES LIES.

An anti-Vaxxer spreading lies. How novel, and pathetic.


Ignore the other 10,000 doctors because this one doctor says what you want him to say. :knife:



The study in Cell show he is right. The vaxxed do not produce the new type antibodies if they get infected with a new variant. And it gets worse with each shot.

Immune imprinting or OAS.

So again people please tell your government to prepare with the drugs necessary.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 7422000769
Explained here: https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/aids- ... taking?s=r
#15226853
No. That's false. You're spreading a lie based on an assumption about something you haven't a clue about. This has been demonstrated time and time again in your absolutely foolish postings. You'd ignore 1,000 other studies if they didn't say what you wanted them to say.

Addressing Geert Vanden Bossche’s Claims
Not only would people lose vaccine-mediated protection but also their precious, variant-nonspecific (!), innate immunity will be gone (this is because vaccinal antibodies outcompete natural antibodies for binding to Covid-19, even when their affinity for the viral variant is relatively low).

This is absolute, unvarnished nonsense. Bossche is referencing the production of natural IgM, which is generated by B1-B cells as a stopgap measure against infections until more potent responses can be initiated; these antibodies are polyreactive, nonspecific, and critically: constitutively produced. They are always present for as long as B1-B cells generating them live. IgM is pentameric and thus even though it has lower affinity than antibodies that have had the opportunity to evolve superior binding affinity, it can compensate with the fact that it has 10 binding sites instead of 2. However, IgG antibodies bear many of the same effector functions (actually, they tend to be better at many of them, as Table 10.27 shows) and they can diffuse into extravascular sites unlike IgM. Principally, antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 could be of value if they are neutralizing. Bossche presents no evidence to support that natural IgM is neutralizing (rather than just binding) SARS-CoV-2.

He then commits an immunological faux pas so egregious that it genuinely shocks me where he shows a dendritic cell (DC) activating an NK cell via antigen presentation on an MHC class I protein. It is basically at this point that I cannot presume that this letter is written in good faith given Dr. Bossche’s background. This is absolutely not how NK cells work. For one thing, the presence of MHC class I protein on a cell indicates to an NK cell that no viral infection is present and functions as an inhibitory signal (indeed, it is a common feature that viruses suppress expression of MHC class I proteins on cells they infect because this prevents them from being recognized by cytotoxic T cells that can kill the cell they are relying on to replicate). For another, NK cells do not examine the contents of the antigen in the MHC binding cleft. They do not have T cell receptors (with the exception of iNKT cells) and therefore have no ability to do this. There ARE reciprocal NK cell-DC interactions where each supports the other (e.g. DCs may produce cytokines promoting the activation of NK cells and NK cell cytokines can promote DC maturation, and NK cells have been known to kill immature dendritic cells in the body) but the mechanism proposed here is overtly at odds with decades of immunology research.

Frankly, to focus on NK cells for a vaccine against an infectious disease is extremely unusual (they can be very important in cancer immunotherapy though). The goal of vaccines broadly is to elicit long-lived immunological memory against a particular infectious agent. NK cells are part of the innate immune system, and while they do exhibit epigenetic modifications after infection in what has been termed trained immunity, this is not the principle by which most vaccines work. Vaccines have to achieve robust activation of dendritic cells because they are key antigen presenting cells and they need to trigger generation of memory helper T cells, ideally T follicular helper cells, memory B cells, long-lived plasma cells, and potentially cytotoxic T cells (depending on the agent)- they act virtually independently of NK cells (though NK cells may play a supportive role through ADCC on challenge with the antigen).

https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/ ... hes-claims

There's more there, but I am sure you'll ignore it, as it debunks "hero's" BS.

@JB70 ,I know your anti-vax agenda of idiocy. If you spam all day long it still won't make what you say real or true.
#15226862
If you knew anything about science, (and you don't) you'd know that nothing in science is ever said with 100% certainty.

You are pretending to be an intellectual. It's just an act.

Educate yourself a wee bit.

Ask a Scientist: Are we ever 100 percent sure?
https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/l ... 830985007/
#15226888
Bossches can fuck off. There's a reason he isn't supported by the scientific medical community. It's because he's full of shit. You're just repeating his lies like a good little unthinking anti-vaxxer. :moron:


This is as valid as anything you have posted. I challenge you to watch it.

#15226923
The first stupid thing the video guy says is that there is no risk with injecting billions with this drug. That it will not lead to vaxx resistant variants.

Even CNN said it´s not true.

"The goal, they say, should be "to reduce infection of and transmission from vaccinated individuals," and to "reduce the possibility of variant selection in vaccinated individuals."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/01/heal ... index.html
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#15226924
Vaccines are not "drugs". You must be mentally challenged.

NOT getting vaccinated increases the number of strains, and the BS about vaccine resistant strains is just that.

Your knowledge of science is like that of a pre-schooler. Stick with Reddit. This forum isn't full of stupid people like you are used to.

Fact-Checking Geert Vanden Bossche. Cashing in on Covid Misinformation
A European "expert" claims the covid vaccines will end humanity. More nonsense, as we prove in this article.

A detailed deconstruction offered by Edward Nirenberg. Orac describes this article fittingly as Nirenberg’s demolition of Vanden Bossche’s nonsense about “innate immunity,”. Definitely for the more technically minded, the arguments posed by Nirenberg conclusively bury Vanden Bossche. https://www.deplatformdisease.com/?auth ... 0c5891958f

Is Vanden Bossche merely deluded, or simply misguided in his interpretation of vaccine science. His level of education and experience in the field tend to suggest another agenda, as does his regurgitation of existing vaccine rhetoric, notably those offered by Andrew Wakefield and Hooman Noorchashm. He is rebranding their narratives for his own agenda, but what is that agenda?

Wakefield, if you didn’t know, is the disgraced and disavowed author of a retracted, fraudulent paper on MMR vaccines, supposedly linking autism to the MMR vaccine. Despite the best efforts of many, Wakefield continues to seek the spotlight and frequently pens misleading drivel. He has become one of the roach poster-boys for anti-vaxxers.

On the topic of grift, let’s turn to another article that seeks to expose Vanden Bossche’s not-so-hidden agenda.

In an article published in the Defender, Rosemary Frei, MSc, outlines what she says are “a few of the dozens of clues” suggesting that Bossche’s argument “is a continuation of the overall COVID deception.” There be gold in them thar hills!

There’s abundant evidence that Vanden Bossche has a not-so-hidden agenda. For example, just before the three-minute mark in the video interview of Vanden Bossche by McMillan, Vanden Bossche indicates he’s a long-time vaccine developer. He adds he’s now focusing on vaccines that “educate the immune system in ways that are to some extent more efficient than we do right now with our conventional vaccines.” Clearly he’s got significant conflicts of interest. Therefore he has zero credibility when it comes to advising the public or anyone else about how to avoid negative effects of mass vaccination.

https://medika.life/fact-checking-geert ... formation/
#15226997
There are many STRAINS of viruses(the more infections the more strains are created, hence why vaccinations are important), that grow resistant to drugs. This happens with viruses and bacteria.

What you are describing is how antibiotics work, not vaccines. You show your ignorance of the topic right there.

A vaccine is not an "antiviral". That I have to explain that to you, is telling.

Difference between vaccines, antivirals and antibiotics
Influenza vaccines prevent or mitigate infections. They are designed to induce a protective immune response in the body against the viruses represented in the vaccine. When vaccinated, the immune system of the body produces a specific response, consisting of specific T cells and specific antibodies that fight off the infection when exposure to the virus occurs at a later stage. More importantly, vaccination also leads to the induction of a specific immunological memory against the viruses represented in the vaccine. Upon contact with the virus at a later stage, the immune system is able to mount a specific response much more rapidly than the non-primed immune system.

Antivirals are drugs that can treat people who have already been infected by a virus. They also can be used to prevent or limit infection when given before or shortly after exposure, before illness occurs. A key difference is that the antiviral drug is effective only when administered within a certain time frame before or after exposure and is effective during the time that the drug is being administered.

Antibiotics are medicines that interfere with the reproduction of bacteria and are, therefore, only useful for treating bacterial infections. Viral diseases, like influenza, can therefore not be treated with antibiotics. What is worse, inappropriate use of antibiotics contributes to the development of antibiotic resistance, a growing health concern. Secondary bacterial infections that may occur in tissues that have been damaged by influenza virus infection may well be treated with antibiotics.

https://eswi.org/knowledge-center/diffe ... tibiotics/
#15228865
JB70 wrote:No i can just read Godstud :)

It's a lot easier to copy-and-paste from oligarch-funded media.

The reason this strategy (copy-and-paste) is easier is because it demands no critical thinking skills. So if you don't have these, by all means copy-and-paste from well-funded sources.

May Faith-in-Money save your materialistic "soul."
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