B0ycey wrote:Whatever you might think of the rebels of DPM or the LPM, they are Ukrainians
They're actually Russians, which is the point here. When the Russians ask for the Donbas, and Crimea, they actually ask for something Russian. However, when they ask for the whole of Ukraine, then they ask for something un-Russian. That's what should be understood here. So if Ukraine decides to turn its back on Russia and join the West institutionally, then they are legitimately asked to leave their Russian things (land, people, etc.) behind.
late wrote:I wanted to know what you were banging on about. It didn't make sense at the time, and then when you told me, it still didn't make sense.
If you wanted to know anything, why didn't you ask something rather than pretending to say something relevant and then being a pretentious dickface as an argument?
late wrote:That should be up to Ukraine, it's fighting for it's existence.
It's up to Ukraine, of course, I just wonder if what you'd suggest them do. As a matter of fact you've already done that.
Rancid wrote:Everyone wants peace. The assumption that it can be achieved by giving Russia what it wants is flawed though.
In my opinion many people want Russia utterly defeated rather than peace, even if it's apparently impossible for Ukraine to achieve.
Rancid wrote:Putin has made himself clear. He thinks himself as peter the great. He thinks himself as restoring the great Russian empire.Why would he stop at a chunk of Ukraine?
So that's what you think Russia still wants just because Putin said some bullshit like that, although he actually had to realise it's practically impossible.