Godstud wrote:You really are a fool, @Igor Antunov. Comparing modern society to fallen civilizations of the past is ignoring everything that has been done between then and now.
That we can even converse across the globe shows how myopic YOU are.
Theres a number of posts like this to discuss. The major Christian group of Korea is Presbyterians. The double purpose of it does point at a Universal Church period. The heresy of Presbyter Arius. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius
Presbyter Arius made the heresy of Arianism. There are also major Presbyters of in the Church Fathers from the Greek rather than Latin origin of the Patristic Church Fathers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patristics
Some notable examples of the use of "Priest" and Presbyter in the Church Fathers of Patristic study.
Dionysius the Great (Ancient Greek: Διονύσιος Ἀλεξανδρείας) was the 14th Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria.He converted to Christianity at a mature age and discussed his conversion experience with Philemon, a presbyter of Pope Sixtus II.He supported Pope Cornelius in the controversy of 251, arising when Novatian, a learned presbyter of the Church at Rome, set up a schismatic church
During the debate with Pope Stephen and Cyprian, Dionysius supported the position of the Roman Bishop but he still supported the autonomy of the African churches.
In 362, Bishop Meletius of Antioch ordained Basil as a deacon. Eusebius then summoned Basil to Caesarea and ordained him as presbyter of the Church there in 365. Ecclesiastical entreaties rather than Basil's desires thus altered his career path.Basil and Gregory Nazianzus spent the next few years combating the Arian heresy, which threatened to divide Cappadocia's Christians. Basil corresponded with Pope Damasus in the hope of having his aid and encouragement against triumphant Arianism; the pope, however, cherished some degree of suspicion against the Cappadocian Doctor.
While recounting his alleged dialogue with Muslims, John claims that they have accused him of idol worship for venerating the Cross and worshipping Jesus. John claims that he told the Muslims that the black stone in Mecca was the head of a statue of Aphrodite. Moreover, he claims, the Muslims were wrong not to associate Jesus with God if Jesus is the Word of God. John claims that, if Jesus is the Word of God, and the Word of God has always existed with God, then the Word must be a part of God, and therefore be God himself, whereby, John says, it would be wrong for Muslims to call Jesus the Word of God but not God himself.
John ends the chapter quickly by claiming that Islam permits polygamy, that Mohammad committed adultery with a companion's wife before outlawing adultery, and that the Quran is filled with ridiculous stories, such as the She-Camel of God and God giving Jesus an "incorruptible table."
Gennadius was a presbyter at Constantinople when he succeeded Anatolius in 458 as the Bishop of Constantinople. From the beginning of his episcopate Gennadius proved his zeal for the Christian faith and the maintenance of discipline. His discretion was before long tested.Measures had been taken against simony, the buying and selling of holy orders, by the Council of Chalcedon. It seems not later than 459, Gennadius celebrated a great council of 81 bishops, many of whom were from the East and even from Egypt...
It seems clear to me that anyone can see the division of Christians to tribalism and locality and yokel sentiment has a clear date to it after defeating Presbyter Arians heresy would be the Chalcedonian settlements displayed here, or as easily called Chalcedonian or Presbyter or Reformed or Nicene. It is clear to most searching for it that Christians together . It is based on denominations and naming. The Catholic leader and Orthodox leader similarly excommunicate each other and call themselves not the Church. Clearly John Calvin and John Knox and the Reformation that is Presbyterian also clearly leaves tribalism and locality for the Universal Church.
One should naturally ask what happened to the Byzantines then? That name is used to describe the Greek Empire with a Roman heritage. Naturally, they felt they were an integral part of something that wasn't nearly as integral as they expected. Venice is a Republic meaning democratic but they sacked and horded the gold of Constantinople instead of helping when Constantinople wrote Rome for help against the Turkish. The Turkish nomads and horde are the concern but somehow receive no distinction from the rest of the Muslims or Arab world in the Pope's Crusades or sacking Constantinople. The raiding of anatolia and the heartlands of the Byzantines is accomplished and is stunning and rapid and the Greeks themselves are left with a joke of an unacceptable homeland today you notice.
An Empire still carries a connotation of being above consultation, out of hearing, without peer, in my diagnosis of history. Perhaps having left the Church. The Byzantine Emperor wishes to wield the power of Caesar. The Varangian Guard (Greek: Τάγμα τῶν Βαράγγων, Tágma tōn Varángōn) was an elite unit of the Byzantine Army from the tenth to the fourteenth century. The members served as personal bodyguards to the Byzantine emperors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard
Throughout its existence, the Byzantine Empire had a reputation both for decadence and for intricate intrigues and powerplays. Even today, the term “byzantine politics” is used to mean overly complicated and involved power structures, where a large number of shifting alliances must be respected, and the penalty for failure can be severe.
Rome and Constantinople were the largest advanced and most visited and cosmopolitan cities of Europe for the first 1,200 years after Christ's death. A Bulgarian or an Armenian is a more distanced and ceremonial nationality to a Greek than say a Scotsman to an Englishman. All the Arabs were oppressed by the "Civilized" and Islam is such a riot against the Byzantines that the Quran has prophecized and predicted the greatness of the man who would sack Constantinople, so it was a holy work to be completed as the map usually reflects. The Byzantines and the Pope never worked out and essentially the Greeks excelled on their control of the trade of Constantinople. Russia does not rely on the Greeks in Orthodoxy. In Orthodoxy , Russia has called itself the heirs of the Byzantines. The Russian Empire. Greek appears to be a lonely language to speak, such as "presbyters". Yet with implications to where Christians are just so, Christians.