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@Igor Antunov

16nm chips or 8 nm chips... all bullshit...

Samsung is already begining the production of 3 nm chips:

Optimized 3nm process achieves 45% reduced power usage, 23% improved performance and 16% smaller surface area compared to 5nm process

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung ... chitecture




Russia has also own chips "Baikal"... but the Russkis rely on Taiwanes TMSC to produce them.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/first ... -to-russia
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Igor Antunov wrote:Also I'm pretty certain by now that the novavax vaccine, like the rest, has made me permanently sick. It's clearly not what they say it is. They lied. Everyone in my family is now sick after being vaxxed with nova/astra/pfizer. Literally for months, non stop, sick. I was fine for 2 years prior to the vax. I'll be having a long, intimate talk with godstud about that. He will publicly repent for his bullshit. He will bend the knee and so will the rest of you vaxtards.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Szabo wrote:You probably mean one of those religious Christian communists right? Certainly not a communist in the Marxist sense. Marx hated imperialist Russia, and Putin hates Lenin.

Also, a communist would never have Santa Claus or whatever other religious figure as an avatar, and certainly never use reactionary pro-Russian imperialist historical terms like novorossiya.

There's a reason why they call them progressives, because they look towards the future, never towards the past as you do with your ambitions for a revitalised tsarist russia.

And again, for everybody's information, in the last two years of the war in the Donbass, only around 10 civilians died. It's a tragedy of course, but not a genocide like pro-putinists like to claim, while the majority of the people from that region hate Russia now. It's not an accident that the majority of them were travelling thousands of kilometres to escape into Europe instead of travelling the short distance required into Russia.

There's also a video floating around that I can post here of a swastika bearing Nazi actually recruiting people as cannon fodder within DPR territory. So much for denazification when Russia is using Nazis to recruit people.


@Szabo :

I understand that this isn't going to go far with you, but I'm Communist for rather simple reasons, mainly because it is the most right thing to do under the socio economic circumstances. I base it too on real world experiences drawn from the lessons of history. I don't expect it to be " inevitable ", nor do I really believe much in " progress ", but merely because of Justice, the justice of the Socialist path. It's not a preserve for Atheists, in fact I think they rather hold it back with certain attendant worldviews.

I'd probably also be wasting my time and yours to explain why I support Russia in this without necessarily supporting her Oligarchs or her government. I have a nuanced position, because that is age and experience talking.
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annatar1914 wrote:@Szabo :

I understand that this isn't going to go far with you, but I'm Communist for rather simple reasons, mainly because it is the most right thing to do under the socio economic circumstances. I base it too on real world experiences drawn from the lessons of history. I don't expect it to be " inevitable ", nor do I really believe much in " progress ", but merely because of Justice, the justice of the Socialist path. It's not a preserve for Atheists, in fact I think they rather hold it back with certain attendant worldviews.

I'd probably also be wasting my time and yours to explain why I support Russia in this without necessarily supporting her Oligarchs or her government. I have a nuanced position, because that is age and experience talking.


If you're coveting the wealth of the billionaires and the richest 1%, and want to take it and give it to the lower classes, then you're the same as they are. They hoard for each other as you intend to do for your own clique.

Rugoz wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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ingliz wrote: [...] Merkel would have told the US to fuck off and fight their own war.

It is a european war. Merkel was creeping up Putin's arse and still resides there, happy and warm. "I did the right thing." Obviously not.
Blackmailed by Putin the current german chancellor is too anxious,. Astonishing enough just of all the greens seem to have a glimpse of the situation.
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China is still in the distance past when it comes to semi-conductor manufacturing. Additionally, they rely heavily on foreign tech and haven't quite been able to figure it out on their own. There is no reason to believe China and most especially not Russia could match the west and Taiwan/Japan/Korea.

The USSR was much more closely matched in terms of tech development in the 50s-80s, than Russia is today to the west.
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Rancid wrote:Anyone in DNR/LNR that wants to be under Russia is ether fucking stupid, a fucking moron, or a fucking idiot.


That's the survey result in the government-controlled (non-occupied) areas of Donbas.

In the DNR/LNR itself, the 2019 survey shows 53% in favour of DNR/LNR remaining a part of Ukraine.

Interestingly, in 2020, the same survey conducted by a company in Moscow showed exactly the opposite result in the DNR/LNR, namely 50%+ in favour of joining Russia and only ~13% in favour of remaing a part of Ukraine. In the areas of Donbas controlled by the Ukrainian government, the results were basically the same with <5% wanting to join Russia (Kiev calling in 2019 and Moscow calling in 2020).

Basically, DNR/LNR residents responded differently depending on where the call came from. Given they live in Russia-controlled territory, that strongly indicates they were afraid to respond truthfully when Moscow was calling.
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Rancid wrote:Reports are that Russia is moving equipment and men away from the Finnish boarder. Invading what will become more NATO territory is clearly not realistic.

Just saw this ..

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Russia criticises ‘unilateral leak’ of Putin-Macron call

"Russian foreign minister says the release of the phone conversation between the two leaders breaches ‘diplomatic etiquette’."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/6 ... acron-call

I'd say a russian war of aggression also breaches diplomatic etiquette? :eh:

Anyway the "breach" can be read here, for everyone to see.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -fury.html


"Emmanuel Macron: Since our last conversation, tensions have continued to grow and you know my commitment and my determination to continue the dialogue. I would like you to give me your reading of the situation first and perhaps quite directly as we both tell me what your intentions are. And then afterwards, I wanted to try to see if there were still useful actions to be taken and to make some suggestions to you.

Vladimir Putin: What could I say? You see yourself what is happening. You and Chancellor Scholz told me that Zelensky was ready to make a move, that he had prepared a bill to implement the Minsk Accords... In fact, our dear colleague, Mr. Zelensky, does nothing. He is lying to you... I don't know if you heard his statement yesterday where he said that Ukraine must have access to atomic weapons.

I also heard your comments during the press conference in Kyiv on February 8. You said that the Minsk Accords must be revised, I quote, 'so that they are applicable'.

Emmanuel Macron: Vladimir, first of all, I never said that the Minsk Accords had to be revised. I never said it, neither in Berlin, nor in Kyiv, nor in Paris. I said that they had to be applied, that things had to be respected, and I don't have the same reading as you of the last days.

Vladimir Putin: Listen Emmanuel, I don't understand your problem with the separatists. They at least did everything necessary, at our insistence, to open a constructive dialogue with the Ukrainian authorities.

Emmanuel Macron: Regarding what you said, Vladimir, several remarks: firstly, the Minsk Agreements are a dialogue with you, you are absolutely right. In this context, it is not expected that the basis of the discussion will be a text submitted by the separatists. And so, when your negotiator tries to force the Ukrainians to discuss on the basis of the separatists' roadmaps, he is not respecting the Minsk Accords. It is not separatists who are going to make proposals on Ukrainian laws!

Vladimir Putin: Of course, we have a completely different reading of the situation. During our last interview, I reminded you of and even read articles 9, 11 and 12 of the Minsk Accords.

Emmanuel Macron: I have them in front of me! It is well written that the government of Ukraine – paragraph 9, etc. – proposes, and that it is in consultation and in agreement with the representatives of certain districts of the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, within the framework of the tripartite contact group. This is exactly what we propose to do. So I don't know where your lawyer learned the law. Me, I just look at the texts and I try to apply them! And I don't know what lawyer will be able to tell you that in a sovereign country, the texts of laws are proposed by separatist groups and not by the democratically elected authorities.

Vladimir Putin: This is not a democratically elected government. They came to power in a coup, there were people burned alive, it was a bloodbath and Zelensky is one of those responsible.

Listen to me carefully: the principle of dialogue is to take into account the interests of the other party. The proposals exist, the separatists, as you call them, transmitted them to the Ukrainians but they received no response. Where is the dialogue?

Emmanuel Macron: But because, as I just told you, we don't give a damn about the separatists' proposals. What we are asking them is to react to the texts of the Ukrainians and things have to be done in this way because it is the law! What you have just said casts doubt, somewhere, on your own will to respect the Minsk Accords, if you judge that you are dealing with illegitimate and terrorist authorities.

Vladimir Putin: Listen to me carefully. You hear me? I tell you again, the separatists, as you call them, reacted to the proposals of the Ukrainian authorities. They responded but these same authorities did not follow up.

Emmanuel Macron: So OK, on the basis of their response to the texts of the Ukrainians, what I propose to you is that we demand from all the parties a meeting within the framework of the contact group in order to continue moving forward. Tomorrow, we can ask for this work to be done and demand that all stakeholders do not have an empty chair policy. However, the last two days, the separatists did not want to lend themselves to this discussion. Me, I will immediately demand that of Zelensky. Do we agree on that? If we agree, I launch it and I demand a meeting tomorrow.

Vladimir Putin: So to be in agreement, as soon as we hang up, I will study these proposals. But from the beginning, it was necessary to put pressure on the Ukrainians, but no one wanted to do it.

Emmanuel Macron: But yes, I do my best to push them, you know it well.

Vladimir Putin: I know but unfortunately it is not effective.

Emmanuel Macron: I need you to help me a little. The situation on the contact line is very tense. I really called Zelensky yesterday to calm down. I will tell him again, calm everyone down, calm down in social networks, calm down the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But what I also see is that you can really call to calm down your pre-positioned armed forces. There was a lot of shelling yesterday. If we want to give dialogue a chance, we have to calm things down in the region. How do you see the evolution of military exercises?

Vladimir Putin: Exercises are proceeding according to plan.

Emmanuel Macron: So they end tonight, right?

Vladimir Putin: Yes, probably tonight, and we will definitely leave a military presence on the border until the situation in Donbass calms down. The discussion will be taken in consultation with the Ministries of Defense and Foreign Affairs.

Emmanuel Macron: OK. Vladimir, I tell you very sincerely, for me, putting the discussions back in the right framework and avoiding tensions is an absolute prerequisite. And what matters to me – and I'm really asking you – is that we have the situation under control. That is the first pillar. And I'm counting on you a lot. Do not give in to provocations of any kind in the hours and days to come.

I wanted to make two very concrete proposals to you. The first, organise a meeting in the next few days in Geneva between you and President Biden. I spoke to him Friday evening, I asked him if I could make you this proposal. He told me to tell you he was ready for it. President Biden also reflected on ways to credibly de-escalate the situation, take your demands into account and very clearly address the issue of NATO and Ukraine. Tell me the date that suits you.

Vladimir Putin: Thank you very much Emanuel. It is always a great pleasure and a great honour to speak with your European counterparts as well as with the United States. And I always have a lot of fun talking to you because we are in a relationship of trust. So, Emmanuel, I suggest you reverse things. First of all, you have to prepare this meeting beforehand. It is only afterwards that we will be able to talk because if we come like that, to talk about everything and nothing, we will still be blamed for it.

Emmanuel Macron: But can we say to ourselves today, at the end of these discussions, that we agree on the principle? I would like a clear answer from you on this. I understand your reluctance on a date, but are you ready to go ahead and say today 'I would like a two-person meeting with the Americans, then extended to the Europeans' or not?

Vladimir Putin: This is a proposal that deserves to be taken into account and if you want us to be well aligned on how to formulate it, I suggest that you ask our advisers to call each other to agree... but know that in principle, I agree.

Emmanuel Macron: Very well, you confirm to me that you agree on the principle. I suggest that our teams try to complete a joint text, a sort of press release at the end of this call.

Vladimir Putin: To be honest with you, I wanted to go play ice hockey because here I'm talking to you from the gym before starting physical exercises. I'll call my advisors first.

Emmanuel Macron: Anyway, thank you Vladimir. We stay in touch in real time. As soon as there is something, you call me.

Vladimir Putin: Thank you Mr. President."



Two days later, Russia invaded Ukraine.
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@Sandzak

Putin is an idiot if he is crazy enough for nuclear war. Nobody can win a nuclear war. We will all lose. I wonder if he has actually been briefed by nuclear scientists on what exactly such weapons do to an area they hit and the effects of nuclear winter over a period of a century. The unfortunate survivors of an all-out nuclear exchange will simply starve in the ensuing nuclear winter. That is if they don't come down with radiation poisoning.

Edit:

War has also come to Russia's territory due to attacks of Ukrainian armed forces retaliating against Russia. This particular strike happened a day or two ago.

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Politics_Observer wrote:@Sandzak

Putin is an idiot if he is crazy enough for nuclear war. Nobody can win a nuclear war. We will all lose. I wonder if he has actually been briefed by nuclear scientists on what exactly such weapons do to an area they hit and the effects of nuclear winter over a period of a century. The unfortunate survivors of an all-out nuclear exchange will simply starve in the ensuing nuclear winter. That is if they don't come down with radiation poisoning.




I think the CIA profilers came to the same conclusion
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@Sandzak

Putin must know that his country will be totally destroyed too in the process. He seems to think he can fire off nuclear weapons and there will be no response in kind which is foolhardy. Just as Washington DC and the Pentagon will be wiped from the map so will Moscow and the Kremlin. We have at least 80 nuclear warheads aimed at Moscow itself to guarantee its complete destruction. Each of those warheads are far more powerful than Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

At the end of the day, world leaders, and especially those of the nuclear powers have a special obligation to prevent the outbreak of war and reduce nuclear weapons stockpiles. Also, institute international agreements to ensure that nuclear war never breaks out. This is so we put the best interests of humanity first.
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Wels wrote:Russia criticises ‘unilateral leak’ of Putin-Macron call

"Russian foreign minister says the release of the phone conversation between the two leaders breaches ‘diplomatic etiquette’."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/6 ... acron-call

I'd say a russian war of aggression also breaches diplomatic etiquette? :eh:
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Interesting, thanks for posting.

Hopefully Putin is killed along with his minions.
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Politics_Observer wrote: [...]
War has also come to Russia's territory due to attacks of Ukrainian armed forces retaliating against Russia. This particular strike happened a day or two ago.



And the poor devils have no clue why this happens and what their glorious leader started. Fascist censorship and incitement of the people.

Question is whether how long the régime in Russia will be able to keep out news, internet and all other media.
It looks as if the russian people are crying for help, if you read between the lines.
Time to liberate and denazify Russia.
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Why would Russia invade Finland? Russia has all the resources it needs. If anything, it just has to cut Finland off from gas and oil exports, and sell these goods to more productive countries like China.

Perhaps the West can't afford to import anything anymore, and all the Covids and Wars are just a smokescreen so we don't realize that we have been fucked over by our own oligarchs for the last few decades?

"You dollars are worth nothing, so we must sell our oil to countries that produce useful items that we need."
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