[Godstud]

@Godstud With Pfizer vaccines is corona like flu, i got it twice.

As I already pointed out, only about 65% of the population is vaccinated, so it's still a threat. You sure like to ignore facts.

Mosques disappearing? ... context. I also don't give a shit about religion. It's a force of oppression in most countries, including the USA.

You change your argumentation, first you claimed the Uighurs are all terrorists, now you claim the Gulags do not exists no. I said what I said.

I never changed my argument. You just don't pay attention. You said gulags exist but then said that the current PM of China grew up in a Gulag. This seems to fly against reason and all logic.

@ness31 Everyone will eventually get Covid-19. The only thing you can do is get vaccinated so its severity is minimized. Don't bust your ass about something beyond your control.

[Skynet]

@Godstud
Deng Xiaoping was also under Mao in a Gulag, later the president.

[Godstud]

China is not under Mao, now. You might as well be comparing present day Germany to Germany under Hitler.

[Skynet]

:eh: China is not under Mao, now. You might as well be comparing present day Germany to Germany under Hitler.

Xi Jinping is the most powerfull leader since Mao and he is the most autoritarian since Mao! He will rule in lifetime like the arab dictators... the Chinese success recipe of a confucian officers dictature has he erroded.. wait 20 Years and he will get mad like Putin...

China has with all its neighbours territorial disputes, except Pakistan.

[Godstud]

China, for all it's faults and evils, is not invading its neighbours or having foreign wars like some other countries we won't mention. Almost every country on earth has disputes with their neighbours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... l_disputes


Anyways, this thread is about Covid-19(incorrectly called the Wuhan virus by the idiot who started the thread), and not which country is the worst/best.

[Skynet]

I did not know so many countries have territorial disputes.... but none of them is behaving such aggressive like Xi-China except Russia.

China handels it poorly the hole pandemic... if you are sick you get incarcerated in a make shift hospital...

Lockdowns do not work with omicron no matter what you say!

The country is now the forbidden country.

[Godstud]

but none of them is behaving such aggressive like Xi-China except Russia.

China has not invaded anyone so they are no more aggressive than anyone else.

Lockdowns do not work with omicron no matter what you say!

You base your opinion on politics, not facts.

Did the COVID lockdowns work? Here’s what we know two years on
Research shows that lockdowns helped control cases in general – but that not all control measures had the same effect.
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/did-c ... -two-years

Fact check: Studies do show face masks and lockdowns slow the spread of COVID-19
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKCN2AT3JQ

The country is now the forbidden country.

really? Better talk to @Fasces and some other members who live in China. I'll have to tell my friends teaching in China that it's forbidden.

[Skynet]

OK you have some strong arguments.


But 180 Millions are affected by lockdowns:

https://interestingengineering.com/rese ... 94Y-WDf5JU


About Chinese crap vaccines:

China’s Biggest Covid Failure Is Not Deploying an mRNA Vaccine
Beijing refuses to allow Western shots even though development of homegrown ones lags.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... na-vaccine

You know the forbidden city, for 2 years is China a forbidden country.

[Godstud]

You know the forbidden city, for 2 years is China a forbidden country.

Propaganda and poppycock. Do you have a real source for this claim? I know people who routinely travel to China. Too many people and information come to and from China for it to be scary "Forbidden Country!!!".

About Chinese crap vaccines:

Really??
Chinese mRNA COVID booster stronger against Omicron than Sinovac shot -trial data
https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-06-01/

[Skynet]

Propaganda and poppycock. Do you have a real source for this claim? I know people who routinely travel to China. Too many people and information come to and from China for it to be scary "Forbidden Country!!!".

For 2 Years you can not travell to and out of China.

Really??
Chinese mRNA COVID booster stronger against Omicron than Sinovac shot -trial data
https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 022-06-01/

Compared with Sinovac crap is it well.

Why do they not compare it with with Western mRNA vaccines???

[Godstud]

For 2 Years you can not travell to and out of China.

Have you heard of this thing called a PANDEMIC, or have you been living under a rock? For a year you couldn't travel to Thailand because of Covid-19.

Your claim that you can't go to China is false. It depends where you are coming from. I am pretty sure they are open to countries where Covid-19 hasn't been rampant.
Entry requirements to China
https://www.finnair.com/th-en/flight-in ... na-2157714


I could fly to China tomorrow, if I had an entry visa.

Flights:
https://www.skyscanner.net/transport/fl ... home&rtn=1

You wouldn't be able to book flights if it was closed and "forbidden".

Compared with Sinovac crap is it well.

It is the most prolific and used vaccine in the world. Your claim is bullshit. I think your nonsense is based in anti-China bias, and not in reality or on facts.

Educate yourself:
The Sinovac-CoronaVac COVID-19 vaccine: What you need to know
A large phase 3 trial in Brazil showed that two doses, administered at an interval of 14 days, had an efficacy of 51% against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, 100% against severe COVID-19, and 100% against hospitalization starting 14 days after receiving the second dose.
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-s ... ed-to-know

Why do they not compare it with with Western mRNA vaccines???

It's a different type of vaccine, that operates differently. It's like comparing apples and oranges. They HAVE compared it, but you choose to ignore that.

WHO says:
How does this vaccine compare to other vaccines already in use?
We cannot compare the vaccines head-to-head due to the different approaches taken in designing the respective studies, but overall, all of the vaccines that have achieved WHO Emergency Use Listing are highly effective in preventing severe disease and hospitalization due to COVID-19.

[Skynet]

Covid-19 update: Sinovac ‘modest’ defence against Omicron in children

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.c ... -children/

[Godstud]

@Sandzak It's also true that Omicron is less likely to hospitalize you even though it's more infectious. Also, children are not really at risk, any more than they are of the flu. You want to ignore facts to cast aspersions.

[Rugoz]

Right, and all from sources that would be questionable, at best, if we were talking about any other country.

Yeah, only the most reputable newspapers on the planet. Plus Amnesty, HRW, etc.

But I forgot this is Pofo, where conspiracy nutters reign.

Right. So the dead Chinese people number over a million? If not then they've done a pretty tight job of it, even if they react to local outbreaks with lockdowns, still. I noted their vaccination rates are still around 65%. That's US numbers, so would you like to compare the two, or would that be too telling?

So instead of addressing my previous post about excess mortality worldwise, you continue with your dimwitted USA whataboutism? Piss off.

[Godstud]

"Reputable" like Epoch Times, right?

@Rugoz Under 6,000 Chinese have died from Covid-19, in a country of 1.4 BILLION. How is that "excess mortality", unless all sense has abandoned you, and you want to ignore reality? You piss off.

[ness31]

I’ve now witnessed Covid effects on the quadruple vaxxed, the triple vaxxed, the double vaxxed and the unvaxxed.

I can’t believe we shut down the world and mandated medical procedures for Covid 19. May justice run it’s course.

[Rugoz]

:lol: "Reputable" like Epoch Times, right?

No, such as the nytimes, nzz and various others.

Unlike you I also don't think NGOs like amnesty or hrw do the USA's bidding or similar bullshit.

@Rugoz Under 6,000 Chinese have died from Covid-19, in a country of 1.4 BILLION. How is that "excess mortality", unless all sense has abandoned you, and you want to ignore reality? You piss off.

Read my post and come up with an intelligent response, otherwise STFU.

[Godstud]

I read your post, @Rugoz, and there was nothing resembling an argument in it. You have no argument that is relevant pertaining to how China is handling the pandemic, when you consider the extremely few deaths from Covid=19. All you do is present a definitive anti-China bias.

The facts that China has such low infection and death rates is a sign of success, not failure.


I guess you can pretend that Amnesty International doesn't have a political bias...

Allegations of pro-Western bias
This includes non-Western governments claiming Amnesty is ideologically biased against them, such as those of the Democratic Republic of the Congo,[3] the People's Republic of China,[4] Vietnam,[5] and Russia[6] who have criticized Amnesty International for what they assert is one-sided reporting or a failure to treat threats to security as a mitigating factor. The actions of these governments—and of other governments critical of Amnesty International—have been the subject of human rights concerns voiced by Amnesty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... ernational

[late]

My understanding is that they handled the earlier variants well, but their emphasis on lockdowns and such are not esp. effective against the more transmissible variants.

What they need is effective vaccines, and a lot of them. Prob because of the expense, they didn't push them earlier.

[Godstud]

Yes, @late, if they have failed anywhere it is in not pushing vaccinations hard enough. They are comparable to USA on vaccines(mid 60%s), and that's nothing special.

Last year around this time, Thailand was moving comparatively slow and only had about 36% vaccinations, but by year end were over 70%.