Puffer Fish wrote:But it is not the same rape.
If that was what you were trying to imply, then I respectfully very much totally disagree with you.
It is the same and you disagree with me because you like to downplay the effects, and impact, of rape on its victims.
Puffer Fish wrote:That is so absurd, I really wonder if you can actually believe this.
It's the law and you've shown that you believe in stupid dumbass shit, but not reality. I even presented evidence to that end, which you ignored, because it didn't conform to your rapey bias.
Puffer Fish wrote:Sorry if the truth is offensive.
You say what you believe
and truth has nothing to do with that. Facts don't matter to you, either.
Puffer Fish wrote:In my opinion it is your belief that is detached from common sense reasoning and reality.
Your opinion, is fucking stupid, and you are the last person who should be mentioning common sense reasoning or reality, since you are devoid of both.
Puffer Fish wrote:I think that's a failed analogy.
It's a good analogy. You just don't like it.
Puffer Fish wrote:Anyway, Godstud, I think you ignore the exact precise reasons why rape is wrong in the first place.
I know why rape is wrong, but you are constantly looking for reasons why it is not, or ways you can circumvent the consequences of such actions.
The law is quite clear about rape, and it really does boil down to consent. FFS, for a person who claims to be interested in laws, you sure know fuck and all about them.
Puffer Fish wrote:I would say the woman's REASONS for consent (or lack thereof) very much play a role into how violated she is. It's not as simple as just she was raped or she wasn't.
Women oftentimes have very good reasons for not wanting to have sex with a man, to put it bluntly.
You are wrong. It comes down to how YOU FEEL, and not what the victim of the rape feels, right? That's your argument here. Is that what you wanted to express, or should you rethink it and try again?
The reasons for a woman refusing to give consent are irrelevant. Consent not given is still consent not given. If a woman wants to refuse consent because she doesn't feel like sex, is tired, has a headache, doesn't like you, changed her mind, etc. is really irrelevant. The fact remains is that she refused to give consent.
Role-playing is something else, entirely. That's a part of CONSENSUAL sex between two adults.
The reasons a woman have for not giving consent do not matter. All she has to do is refuse to give consent, then if you continue to force yourself onto a woman, you are raping her. ANY reason to refuse consent, is sufficient. You are in no position to say how much they are violated, as that would be up to the victim of the crime to determine, and not you
Puffer Fish wrote:But she will probably be even more traumatised if that was her first time having a sexual experience with another person.
That is not for YOU to determine. You have shown that you lack even the most basic human empathy, on this topic.
Puffer Fish wrote:At least if she had sex with her husband first before the assault, a connection would have established itself in her mind between sex and tenderness/love.
Again, that's not for you to determine, and the breach of trust/love might be shattered and MORE traumatic. Rape is not "tenderness", either, you tool.
Puffer Fish wrote:Then let's talk about how the future husband will be impacted.
The rapist deserves whatever they get, and no one knows what a future husband will think. The victim of the rape is the one who has to deal with the trauma. Stick to reality.
Patrickov wrote:Most men in this generation are having difficulties of even putting their penises into proper use, so whether they are the first of their respective recipients is no longer a concern.
MOST men have no problems with this. Males growing up in their parent's homes, in single parent homes, and not being independent are having problems dealing with women. They lacked strong male role models and are suffering for it. Lacking social contact can also have the same effect.
Puffer Fish wrote:Gosh. A woman who drinks and never valued virginity very highly.
Most people in this century don't value virginity to any degree, and you are trying to push your (likely)Christian beliefs onto others, who might not have the same views as yourself. Think on that a bit.
Puffer Fish wrote:I am not trying to put you down or say you are worth less than any other woman but... maybe did you ever think you might not be the most qualified female to be giving an opinion about this?
Yes, you are trying to say that. You implied it with your last statement(see above). As a female she is eminently more qualified to give an opinion on this than some potential sexual predator and rape advocate.
“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson