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ckaihatsu wrote:(This is getting fun.)

Okay, so which 'mad man' do you have in mind here?



Well, I am advising the OP, so it's Repubs are one side.

The other side is whoever crazy and capable enough to go violent on the Repubs and their supporters.

But not the OP. He is too decent for this. Someone else have to do this dirty job.
#15242081
@Patrickov

I am going to tell you, that violence will not solve the problems. It will just make the Democrats less legitimate. Political violence will never make your party legitimate in the eyes of the people. The fact that the Republican Party is embracing violence is a big mistake, too. It's not going to help them.
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Politics_Observer wrote:I am going to tell you, that violence will not solve the problems. It will just make the Democrats less legitimate. Political violence will never make your party legitimate in the eyes of the people. The fact that the Republican Party is embracing violence is a big mistake, too. It's not going to help them.


The problem is the likes of you feel helpless and I feel an urge that this needs to be solved quickly.

Although this is less then the sentiment I feel against Russia and China.
#15242098
ckaihatsu wrote:Have you picked a color yet for the next color revolution?


x D


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution

So Dixie isn't in their list again, so said everybody.. So all blacks are good for is making a terrorist plot and whites find out what the system did to them already while sitting here.
a fundamental and relatively sudden change in political power and political organization which occurs when the population revolts against the government. a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system.
#15242106
Mike12 wrote:
So Dixie isn't in their list again, so said everybody.. So all blacks are good for is making a terrorist plot and whites find out what the system did to them already while sitting here.
a fundamental and relatively sudden change in political power and political organization which occurs when the population revolts against the government. a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system.



No, it's a *joke*, because the 'color' revolutions were all stage-managed 'astroturf' movements, as against Russia or China or whatever.

I was *going* to ask what color the Jan. 6 invasion of the Capitol building should be, since Trump's attempted coup could readily be added to the list.
#15242111

Pattern of revolution

Michael McFaul identified these seven stages of successful political revolutions common in colour revolutions:[58][59][60][3]

1. A semi-autocratic rather than fully autocratic regime

2. An unpopular incumbent

3. A united and organized opposition

4. An ability to quickly drive home the point that voting results were falsified

5. Enough independent media to inform citizens about the falsified vote

6. A political opposition capable of mobilizing tens of thousands or more demonstrators to protest electoral fraud

7. Divisions among the regime's coercive forces.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution



Sound *familiar* -- ? -- (!)
#15242133
ckaihatsu wrote:What *did* stop them, though, and are they really now 'stopped' -- ?

I don't understand why you're continuing to pin your hopes on *electoralism* when the fascist Republicans tried to *sidestep* that -- the *Capitol* building didn't stop them, that's for sure.


I didn't say that the Repud fascists had been stopped. I said that they can be stopped in the future.

I want to do it legally. I don't want to use unconstitutional methods. I'm hoping that these will be sufficient.

You may be right to think that they may not be sufficient. It all depends on if *enough* independents come out to vote blue no matter who this year.

Partly I think this way because the Repud fascists own a lot of guns and ammo, and the Dems far less. Our only hope is to do it legally so that the Army and the vast majority of police are on our side. Without the Army and the police on our side, the "brownshirts" will for sure win the street battles.

Bluto lives in his info bubble, so he thinks that independents care more about the unavoidable leaving behind of a lot of military equipment when Biden followed through with Trumps plan to leave Afghanistan. It was Trumps plan and it was totally impossible for the US Army to disarm the the Afghan Army that we had armed without being responsible for their failure to keep the Taliban from returning to power. Bluto is an idiot to think otherwise. When as any military disarmed its allies when it gave up on a war? Never that I know of. For example, we didn't disarm the South Vietnamese Army when we pulled out of Vietnam. Did anyone harp on how we armed our enemies then?
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#15242135
ckaihatsu wrote:So can't we say by now that electoralism is more trouble than it's worth -- ?


AFAIK, all Marxists are not interested in delaying the coming communist gov. by improving the current gov. system.

Is this the main reason that you have given up on elections and democracy?

So, IMO , it is too soon to give up on fighting fascism legally. By mid Nov. we will know if you are right or I am.
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#15242136
Steve_American wrote:
I didn't say that the Repud fascists had been stopped. I said that they can be stopped in the future.

I want to do it legally. I don't want to use unconstitutional methods. I'm hoping that these will be sufficient.

You may be right to think that they may not be sufficient. It all depends on if *enough* independents come out to vote blue no matter who this year.

Partly I think this way because the Repud fascists own a lot of guns and ammo, and the Dems far less. Our only hope is to do it legally so that the Army and the vast majority of police are on our side. Without the Army and the police on our side, the "brownshirts" will for sure win the street battles.



I think there's a larger context at-play here, that of the rough treatment of Black Lives Matter protestors, compared to the *white-glove* treatment of Trump's minions at the Capitol building on January 6.

Also, the U.S. military has *already* been politicized -- it's what happens when there's a power / leadership vacuum ('Bonapartism'), as when Trump threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act in June of 2020, to forcibly clear protestors from Lafayette Square.


Fearing a Trump Repeat, Jan. 6 Panel Considers Changes to Insurrection Act

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/us/p ... n-act.html


And:



On June 1, 2020, amid the George Floyd protests in Washington, D.C., law enforcement officers used tear gas and other riot control tactics to forcefully clear peaceful protesters from Lafayette Square surrounding streets, creating a path for President Donald Trump and senior administration officials to walk from the White House to St. John's Episcopal Church.[1][2][3] Trump held up a Bible and posed for a photo op in front of Ashburton House (the church's parish house), which had been damaged by a fire during protests the night before.[4][5][6]

The clearing of demonstrators from Lafayette Square was widely condemned as excessive and an affront to the First Amendment right to freedom of assembly.[7][8] Just before visiting the church, Trump delivered a speech in which he urged the governors of U.S. states to quell violent protests by using the National Guard to "dominate the streets", or he would otherwise "deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem".[9][10][11]

Former military leaders, current religious leaders, and elected officials from both parties condemned Trump for the event,[12] though some of Trump's fellow Republicans defended the actions.[13] The event was described by The New York Times as "a burst of violence unlike any seen in the shadow of the White House in generations" and possibly one of the defining moments of the Trump presidency.[8] Civil liberties groups filed a federal lawsuit against Trump, U.S. Attorney General William Barr, and other federal officials, alleging they violated protesters' constitutional rights.[14] General Mark A. Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, later apologized for his role in the photo op.[15]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tr ... 27s_Church



There's plenty of *complicity* to go-around:



Yet despite an ever expanding mountain of evidence incriminating Trump, the Republican Party and substantial sections of the military, the police and the intelligence agencies in the bid to overturn the 2020 election and install Trump as dictator-president, neither Trump nor any of his major co-conspirators, with the exception of Steve Bannon, has been indicted, let alone imprisoned, and Bannon faces a mere misdemeanor charge.



https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/0 ... c-j23.html



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Disproportionate policing of Black Lives Matter events

Further information: Law enforcement response to the 2021 United States Capitol attack § Accusations of differential treatment

Black Lives Matter protesters are themselves sometimes subject to excessive policing of the kind against which they are demonstrating. In May 2020, in addition to police, 43,350 military troops were deployed against Black Lives Matter protesters nationally.[110] Military surveillance aircraft were deployed against subsequent Black Lives Matter protests.[110] Observers, such as U.S. President Joe Biden, have noted that violent far-right mobilizations, including the 2021 United States Capitol attack, attracted smaller and more passive police presences than peaceful Black Lives Matter protests.[111][112][113][114][115][116] In November 2015, a police officer in Oregon was removed from street duty following a social media post in which he said he would have to "babysit these fools", in reference to a planned BLM event.[117]

According to a report released by the Movement for Black Lives in August 2021, the United States federal government deliberately targeted Black Lives Matter protesters in an attempt to disrupt and discourage the Black Lives Matter movement during the summer of 2020. According to the report, "The empirical data and findings in this report largely corroborate what Black organizers have long known intellectually, intuitively, and from lived experience about the federal government's disparate policing and prosecution of racial justice protests and related activity".[118]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Liv ... ter_events



Steve_American wrote:
Bluto lives in his info bubble, so he thinks that independents care more about the unavoidable leaving behind of a lot of military equipment when Biden followed through with Trumps plan to leave Afghanistan. It was Trumps plan and it was totally impossible for the US Army to disarm the the Afghan Army that we had armed without being responsible for their failure to keep the Taliban from returning to power. Bluto is an idiot to think otherwise. When as any military disarmed its allies when it gave up on a war? Never that I know of. For example, we didn't disarm the South Vietnamese Army when we pulled out of Vietnam. Did anyone harp on how we armed our enemies then?
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BS should be made to be financially responsible for all of the bullshit he slings around, just like Alex Jones:


Alex Jones is ordered to pay $45.2 million for lying about Sandy Hook school shooting

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/05/11161116 ... chool-shoo


What Alex Jones’ $50 Million Fine Means For Others Profiting Off Disinformation

#15242138
Steve_American wrote:
AFAIK, all Marxists are not interested in delaying the coming communist gov. by improving the current gov. system.

Is this the main reason that you have given up on elections and democracy?

So, IMO , it is too soon to give up on fighting fascism legally. By mid Nov. we will know if you are right or I am.
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You're starting to sound just as 'religious' about post-capitalist social determinism as any *Stalinist*, Steve. (frowny face)

I won't be holding my breath till then.

(Here's some background.)



Along the way there was the political objective of a post-capitalist, communist-type society that could be strived-for, to rationalize society to provide for *everyone's* human needs, instead of ceaselessly providing profits to private ownership and weapons to the state.

As enlightening as all this was, however, I found little in the way of *details* for this collective goal, and was usually just given an emotive response that very much resembled a *religious* attitude of the 'hereafter' where everything would just be *heavenly* once capitalism is undone.

This sense of political-objective vacuousness has put me on a decades-long trajectory to 'figure it out' from within the capitalistic here-and-now, to define and posit a feasible post-capitalist collective social order with as much consistent, feasible detail as possible, given already-known limits and parameters for such.



https://web.archive.org/web/20201211050 ... ?p=2889338
#15242142
@ckaihatsu,

OK, I looked at your web post dated Oct. 29, 2017. It is big. TLDR, but I didn't see the answer to my question of "are you against improving capitalism while we win the war on ACC, aka AGW. Or, are you for fighting a 20 year war that will waste a lot of fossil fuel in tank engines to crush capitalism before you start the war on ACC?"
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#15242143
Steve_American wrote:
@ckaihatsu,

OK, I looked at your web post dated Oct. 29, 2017. It is big. TLDR, but I didn't see the answer to my question of "are you against improving capitalism while we win the war on ACC, aka AGW. Or, are you for fighting a 20 year war that will waste a lot of fossil fuel in tank engines to crush capitalism before you start the war on ACC?"
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Here's my go-to on that, Steve:



Politics and ideology

Extinction Rebellion's third demand ("Government must create and be led by the decisions of a Citizens' Assembly on climate and ecological justice") has been summarised by its leadership as a demand to "go beyond politics".[107] This demand has been criticised by socialists, including individuals who have participated in the movement's action. Writing for The Independent in April 2019, Natasha Josette, an anti-racist activist and member of Labour for a Green New Deal, critiqued Extinction Rebellion both for marginalising ethnic minorities and for not recognising that "the climate crisis is the result of neoliberal capitalism, and a global system of extraction, dispossession and oppression".[108] Also writing for The Independent, Amardeep Dhillon argued that XR's narrow focus on net zero carbon emissions meant that it ignored extractivism and the threat to the environment posed by companies in the extractive sector using greenwashing to defend and advance their economic interests, suggesting that XR's position "threatens to give carte blanche to governments and corporations who are happy to shift the burden of climate destruction onto poor and indigenous communities of colour in the global South".[109]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinctio ... d_ideology
#15242145
ckaihatsu wrote,

Here's my go-to on that, Steve:


Politics and ideology

Extinction Rebellion's third demand ("Government must create and be led by the decisions of a Citizens' Assembly on climate and ecological justice") has been summarised by its leadership as a demand to "go beyond politics".[107] This demand has been criticised by socialists, including individuals who have participated in the movement's action. Writing for The Independent in April 2019, Natasha Josette, an anti-racist activist and member of Labour for a Green New Deal, critiqued Extinction Rebellion both for marginalising ethnic minorities and for not recognising that "the climate crisis is the result of neoliberal capitalism, and a global system of extraction, dispossession and oppression".[108] Also writing for The Independent, Amardeep Dhillon argued that XR's narrow focus on net zero carbon emissions meant that it ignored extractivism and the threat to the environment posed by companies in the extractive sector using greenwashing to defend and advance their economic interests, suggesting that XR's position "threatens to give carte blanche to governments and corporations who are happy to shift the burden of climate destruction onto poor and indigenous communities of colour in the global South".[109]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinctio ... d_ideology


IMHO, green off-sets in the global south are a joke. Actually they are a total scam. They are valueless.

I don't know what XR's view on them is, but my view is that they are created to let corps continue business as usual which means doing nothing to fight ACC.

So, I didn't get you answer. Are you fighting capitalism or ae you fighting ACC

For example, in 1941 Churchill & the UK allied with Stalin to fight Hitler, knowing full well that it would end up fighting Stalin later.
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#15242150
Steve_American wrote:
IMHO, green off-sets in the global south are a joke. Actually they are a total scam. They are valueless.



Yup.


Steve_American wrote:
I don't know what XR's view on them is, but my view is that they are created to let corps continue business as usual which means doing nothing to fight ACC.



Yup.


Steve_American wrote:
So, I didn't get you answer. Are you fighting capitalism or ae you fighting ACC

For example, in 1941 Churchill & the UK allied with Stalin to fight Hitler, knowing full well that it would end up fighting Stalin later.
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It's not the best analogy, unfortunately -- the humanity paradigm / global warming thing is really a *linear* thing, with the ending of capitalism being a *prerequisite* for any decent addressing of ACC.

Your own points here *support* this, since you *know* that corporations want to continue business as usual, meaning *capitalism*.

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