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Independent_Srpska wrote:Useful tactics in some situations...causing and exploiting sympathy of allies...it was useful in Bosnian civil war , when the public opinion in NATO countries had to be directed towards military intervention against way weaker opponent. Bosnian Muslims were using the same tactics (of course, advised by the US operatives) , or even bombed themselves thus staging false flag events.


In Ukrainian situation, it is very stupid sacrifice of her own citizens, since the opponent is not way weaker, and opinion in NATO allies has been already formed, yet NATO will not intervene.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... civilians/


If you fight in a residential area then this is bound to happen. Russians do the same, actually they do far worse.

Also your not quoting everything for that latest release.

You missed this part for some reason:

Such violations in no way justify Russia’s indiscriminate attacks, which have killed and injured countless civilians
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By Rancid
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Independent_Srpska wrote:Who killed 13.000 people from 2014?


According to the nation that said they would not invade Ukraine and instead was just doing exercises near the border... got it.

It's been lie on top of lie from the start dude. Just drop that bullshit and embrace your inner imperialist already. Igor does it.
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JohnRawls wrote:If you fight in a residential area then this is bound to happen. Russians do the same, actually they do far worse.

Also your not quoting everything for that latest release.

You missed this part for some reason:

Such violations in no way justify Russia’s indiscriminate attacks, which have killed and injured countless civilians


Nothing missed.
The 3rd bullet point is exactly that part.

But, Russians are Orcs, such violations of the humanitarian laws are more than expected from them.
The real question is what's going on with the sweethearts of the part of the world which voted against UN resolution preventing glorification of Nazism (ie Natosphere)?
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Rancid wrote:According to the nation that said they would not invade Ukraine and instead was just doing exercises near the border... got it.

It's been lie on top of lie from the start dude. Just drop that bullshit and embrace your inner imperialist already. Igor does it.


Nope, according to these guys.

If they lie, they are mostly paid by your sphere to lie. 8)
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Independent_Srpska wrote:Nope, according to these guys.

If they lie, they are mostly paid by your sphere to lie. 8)
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Not if you actually read it. I joke you not, literally the 2nd paragraph:

The report, which was prepared by the United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine*, states that the armed conflict in certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, “fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years,” claiming up to 2,000 civilian lives. Close to 90 per cent of conflict-related civilian deaths have resulted from indiscriminate shelling of residential areas.
#15242273
Guys, what's going on?!

Why Taiwan is rude to the American puppet?!

Does this mean that Taiwan want bothbetter treatment and more sovereign choices?

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Independent_Srpska wrote:I wonder who shelled Donbas residential areas?


It tells you who "fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years"
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By Rancid
#15242308
The Russians are also using a nuclear power plant as a military base. BUnch of fucking war criminal morons.
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JohnRawls wrote:It tells you who "fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years"


It tells - the armed conflict, which was existing, since it could have been fuelled, accounts for the deaths....

Indeed, the armed conflicts consists of bombing residential areas in Donbas by Kiev, and consequently the inflow of people who try to prevent Kiev to bomb residential areas of Donbas.

And here we are at the root of the conflict - the Kiev's violent response to the dissatisfaction of people in Donbas , which is illustrated by Nazi Azov units terror and bombardment of residential areas.
8 years later , the Kiev regime started to receive its own medicine.
#15242340
So, Zaporozhie region will hold referendum on joining Russia in September 2022.

Kiev should get used to these facts and new reality.
By Rich
#15242345
Rugoz wrote:@Rich Calm down Richie boy. Keep your ADHD in check.

What a stupid thing to say. You seem to have run out of arguments and only be able to engage in personal insults. You seem to be one of the worst posters in not being able to calm down. You seem to be enraged by any suggestion that Russia might be winning even when posters are just reporting facts.

The fact that Russia is winning does not mean it will win.If I had to put a percentage on it, I would say Russia is 10-15% towards an all out victory. We saw in the First World War how quickly fortunes can reverse in war. But the fact that Germany ultimately lost does mean it was always losing.

Now of course from a purely military perspective Ukraine should win, given so many Ukrainian's are motivated to fight and risk their lives. Given the huge potential support the West can provide in terms of intelligence, advanced weapons systems, supplies, ammunition, economic aid, training in safe countries where Russia can not attack and covert operations. And given the West's professed commitment to inflict a humiliating defeat on Putin. Yes Ukraine should be winning by now, but it is not.
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By Wels
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Russia’s private military contractor Wagner comes out of the shadows in Ukraine war.
"The mercenary group does not officially exist but is playing a more public role and openly recruiting in Russia"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... kraine-war

"Wagner is often referred to by its supporters and members as the “orchestra”, a reference to the German composer Richard Wagner. The group’s alleged founder, Dmitry Utkin, has been linked to the far right and is believed to have named it after Hitler’s favourite composer."

Prigozhins's nazi thugs and the chechen tiktok battallion. You cannot make some things up.
#15242367
Wels wrote:Wagner

Mozart delivers critical capabilities to Ukrainian frontline units.




:lol:
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By Rugoz
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Rich wrote:What a stupid thing to say. You seem to have run out of arguments and only be able to engage in personal insults. You seem to be one of the worst posters in not being able to calm down. You seem to be enraged by any suggestion that Russia might be winning even when posters are just reporting facts.


The Orc-lovers do enrage me occasionally, though they never report facts, so that cannot be the reason. With you it's different. It's just for fun. I apologize :).

Rich wrote:Now of course from a purely military perspective Ukraine should win, given so many Ukrainian's are motivated to fight and risk their lives. Given the huge potential support the West can provide in terms of intelligence, advanced weapons systems, supplies, ammunition, economic aid, training in safe countries where Russia can not attack and covert operations. And given the West's professed commitment to inflict a humiliating defeat on Putin. Yes Ukraine should be winning by now, but it is not.


Says who? It still has a long way to go to become a full-fledged NATO military. Russia meanwhile still has equipment and manpower to throw into the grinder. Nobody here knows when the balance of power will have shifted to a degree that Ukraine can win back its territory. I only predict that it will happen eventually, based on "fundamentals". Very likely at least.
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By Rancid
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Igor Antunov wrote:I wonder how much longer Russia will tolerate NATO openly using US weaponry on Crimea?


I'm guessing you just read about how the Pentagon acknowledged they sent anti-radar missile to Ukraine?

I wonder what else they are sending.

Igor Antunov wrote:There will come a moment where Russia begins striking NATO air and supply bases across Europe.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You might be crazy, but Putin isn't.

Putin's war criminal army simply cannot stand up to NATO in a direct confrontation in just about every possible way. What are you smoking, are you not watching how much Russia struggling with JUST Ukraine?

What is this, like day 170 of a 3 day war? :lol:

If Russia were as strong as you still seem to believe they are, they would have taken 100% Ukraine even with all the western weapons flooding in. Finland/Sweden would not be applying for NATO, Zelensky would be dead.
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Weren't you begging for nuclear war Rancid? This might just start it. ~1,000 Russian nukes would end NATO in Europe, and delete America's allies in the region. UK and France would get the Poseidon treatment. Neither of them have enough nukes for an effective retaliatory strike on Russia's arsenal.

Then it would be up to the US to choose self destruction or to swallow the loss.
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By Rancid
#15242384
Igor Antunov wrote:Weren't you begging for nuclear war Rancid? This might just start it.


No exactly. I was asking for Russia to try sending their nukes, because they probably don't work. They'll just do this. :lol: :lol: :lol:

They'd just nuke themselves.

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