RhetoricThug wrote:Magick or magic is essentially the act of bending our perception of reality. Perhaps this is why the arts and sciences are confidently in the hands of conspirators.
in my opinion magic is imposing own free will on the rest by forcible means for what sometimes its enough will some courage and other times manipulation, normally all done directly or indirectly with help from demons-anathema-to-them! are there elites who have such approach, surely anyone blind enough to seek heaven on earth (even more in possessive way) is open also fro manipulation by the fallen spirits and in return he serves as tool for distracting from Salvation if not seducing others to be open for possession, I'll banalize its strictly spiritual business, and sadly many elites like it or not are bound to slavery through such causality, so I dont judge any neopagan, and above all I am aware they could be helped and unburdened by invoking extra Grace for and on them (as cleansing approach) yet its their free will and conscious effort to repent, yeah but what if he is gone and his art or philosophy still lingers around, hm I'll wont make change if start chasing the rabbit but demystifying its food and blood so others would not choke while preparing for barbique!
we live an reality that has purpose by itself, its word for life in every aspect of existence, even our thoughts as abstract thing resonates particular conscious energy, so is every thing-event-flow, all of them leave own physical or spiritual fingerprints, but as humans we are way higher on that ladder, the problem with the same is that as such also has meaning and those who missed the same are missing chance for transcendence and reaching to higher realms of existence, yet how to be sure that some direction is true and worthy, so as always we had have guidance, but again and again coz the gift of Free Will we are not rarely falling in own trap of interpreting the very same truth, and like many times before also in modern times we are straying from the truth and true evolutive ladder that would be Monotheism i.e. more and more we are indifferent or willing to accept the false freemasonic universalism as one love monism  and altho we are aware on finite and decaying place like earth we cant introduce lasting heaven still some are extradelusional that this can be case, particularly neopagans like freemasons and alike, not that we need to be creativeless or unimaginative but to expect that we can bend the reality even more by own power its at best naive trivialization of our purpose in this world i.e. Salvation and Eternal Life as means can be reached once we accept that this world is inbetween the Higher and lower realms of existence, so as Christian I can freely claim they've as neopagans bent everything that can be bent in this respect, aside that their perfectionism is reachable only to few highest adepts, in my opinion one crucial soteriological problem for all those that are freemasons, altho completely their craft is not at all compatible with Christianity even more sole opposite what tho is not loudly enough expressed by the Church  and here we are coming to one paradox like priests members of freemasonry what was not unusual occurrence in the past century eg. in Orthodox Christianity which I am confident lead to the heresy of ethnophiletism on east if we know that all those new states that emerged from the Ottoman Empire were brought to life as nations through freemasonry and its local devotees and stooges usually elite members in their local societies, what actually is case till this day if we know that causality rulz in this world, and to be more ridiculous even nowadays there are many that sit on two chairs as traditional christians that in same time are socializing in freemasonic lodges, now we just need to upgrade the secular to univerasalist constitutions so the same paradox would be wide and long stretched to all, hm easier if its done through globalism once usA and eU merge in one superstate!
RhetoricThug wrote:Unfortunately, people entertain other people's' thoughts. Meaning to say that they, the thinker, are entirely comprised of prepackaged ideation, only communicating to survive day-to-day.
I'll jump in this category too simply coz have ideals that can be beneficial if shared, eh if someone educated me in time not to mess with paganism earlier, I would be more than happy now, instead again and again to stumble on some causality recidives when I'll loosen my nous, even worst when forgetting in what time we live in! stil I dont have urge for indoctrination others nor controlling them like that, but its really sad when one cant help those that are helpless coz their wrong neopagan mindset, so in large extent this thread is chance to point (to all those that are careless for neopagan hangout and are still Christians) dont play with fire You can get burnt!
RhetoricThug wrote:Most groups or organizations have a power structure similar to a tribe, mafia, intelligence network, political party, and use various modes of power (brute force or law), intimidation, disclosure, redaction, and persuasion, to influence those that suffer from a lack of equal or greater mental faculties.
altho true, actually this is problem with the ego, but per'se its word for the lust of pride when even Christians not rarely allow themselves to attack instead defend, in some respect my projecting in this thread can be seen as such, yet I am not attacking but exposing particular religion and mostly coz its covert structure which in my opinion is infiltrated on many levels in the western governing hierarchy, lets say they copied papism but in heterogeneous way of ruling, hm, to one point earlier the pope was just spokeperson to particular clique of clans, but later upgraded its status to theocracy, anyway as risk for easier dismantling once particular corruptive nature was waken up, something that is less obvious in freemasonry even tho their camp regularly is making huge imperial or social mistakes!
RhetoricThug wrote:Anthropologically or sociologically speaking, secret societies operate the way social hierarchies organize via division of labor or compartmentalization of knowledge. It's perfectly sane to consider the possibility that a well-organized group of like-minded people decided to get together and discreetly rule over others.
except less responsibility, yes in this way its easier for any agenda to survive even the same failed in some structure of hierarchy! this model was employed strikingly by the euroatlantic determinists (the modern elite of freemasonry) for what I've posted interesting decimation on historum 
RhetoricThug wrote:Theosophy's an interesting feature of Occult tradition. What do you think of Madame Blavatsky or Lucis Trust? I'd wager to bet that Theosophy and Scienticism, along with Technocracy and Transhumanism, serve humanity as a synthesis of many preceding occult factions.
even tho in unconcise way, think through the footnotes above to some extent is elaborated all the shapeshifting of freemasonic orders, maybe there is some diagram to be found how which denomination when popped up, but to me that is less important than the core beliefs and agendas as religion so as structure, now when theosophy is in question I can say just its occultism rests on rusicrucianism and could be seen as elite level of standardized hermeneutic knowledge, but in same time that can be misleading if we know that madamB was in ties with freemasons too  and altho her stamina is somehow in context of this thread still she could be seen as freelancer  coz after freemasonry overtook the west, occultism burst on all sides in various forms, thus cant say for certainty whether theosophy is somehow leading cult of the western neopagan elite, maybe pretended to become, but knowing that she was russian probably they side-apart from her standardization, for which also cant say how close is to transhumanism which sounds more like strive for freemasonic heaven on earth