annatar1914 wrote:By the way, what is an American Indian, with Pre Columbian roots, to make of Modernity and being " Othered" on their own land? Is this the edge of the world to them as well? From what I know, they are stranger to the whole Narrative but have internalized it. Same likewise with the descendants of imported Slaves: what is their place, their ontological center? Is this part or whole of the reasons for conflict within New World societies?
It might be the case that their ontological center has to be divorced from their culture and sense of self... And this is maybe the essence of Christianity: there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but all, and in all, is Christ.
There are other contexts that are relevant to our reasoning, and we should not be ashamed of belonging to these categories, but to make these the center of our existence is wrong...
And I think that blacks, native Americans, and in the future, whites, will have to view their coming undone in the Americas as a natural process.
The native tribes of Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Mexico, etc. did not cease to exist even when the tribes no longer exist as a political entity or can even be said to have no 'pure' racial presence everywhere... They became Latinos. The American blacks that are now 20%-30% white on average did not cease to exist... and they will not cease to exist, nor will the whites, if they are integrated into la raza cosmica
of the New World like the Natives. They exist merely in a new, different context, one that may not be relevant to people in the same way in 1000 years...
The Goths, the Gauls, the Anglos, the Saxons... They are gone, but people alive would still argue that they live in me.
So, whatever the case may be, I think that they exist forever, and that they can simply recognize themselves as continuing in a different identity... Which isn't so abnormal. The Norwegian of five hundred years ago, even if racially identical, is not the Norwegian of the 21st century. All identity is transient.
Except that which is religious or ideological.
So the Native shares the same identity that we do: a temporary racial/national/social identity that is less relevant than the identity of his Spirit.
It is indeed an irony and an inverted reality when you have American " Christians" who oddly appear to restore Jerusalem to the center of their Eschatological cosmos, but in practice make America and its iteration
of Western civilization the central axis around which their world turns.
But America, the entire New World, never appears to be the center of the cosmic drama of Monotheism, despite the attempts of Mormonism to make it so. Is it possible that to an true American, the only worldview that makes sense from a Modern perspective is the essentially Luciferian ( or Mormon) one? What is the true perception of space and time in this context of the Real, the Modern or the Pre Modern? What for example is the role of America in the mental topography of a devout Muslim from the Old World in the present day?
Is America being " Othered" in reaction along with the West as a whole out of some ontological necessity of universal human value and concern? Is this the reason for the significant antipathy between America and the Islamic Republic of Iran? China and Russia versus America? The shuddering fear and hysteria of recent years seems to bear it out.
I also desire to resolve my American identity
with my ideology, since the American identity we are told is based off of the rebellion to the British and the classical liberaism that it enshrined... But we can imagine and interpret these things differently. It's possibel to be descended from dozens of Revolutionary war soldiers and also be descended from British loyalists or old world soldiers.
It is possible to honor all your ancestors by reading the current situation correctly
Maybe they actually just want one thing from you: forgiveness, sincerity, kindness; esteem them & love them, and don't bother too much with the difficult ideological considerations... We are talking about centuries of hindsight.. and problems that very much differ.
I try to think of it as... all sincere yearning for freedom & justice comes from the same ideological place and principles, and that even if we codify it all slightly different, if we maintain the same thrust, we are doing the right thing..!
If my descendant is a Marxist, or a Fascist, or an Anarchist, or some other wild future identity... and they are a Christian looking to the Cloud of Witnesses wondering how they can honor me (lol)... In such a scenario, I only care about their individual desires to be good Chrisitans, and the ideological differences... Well, what can I say about that? They are not prisoners to who I am... and they are living in a completely different time & place.
Of the hundreds of living descendants (Or even thousands or tens of thousands), there's probably a bunch of people doing better than us.... a bunch of people doing worse than us... What counts is just that we try to do our best. I won't judge others, but I will say... .I do not look at porn! I do not commit adultery! At least, for now, and I am thankfuL! So, I will choose to present what little Christian virtue I have achieved in contrast to my contemporaries insted of my ideology as my gift to my ancestors in the Cloud.
I realize that this was a very odd aside but it seems like it makes sense. if it doesn't, that is also OK. it's DUH INTERNET...
Furthermore, is this the real root of the present day Syrian and Ukrainian conflict? How odd can it be, as another example, to have American troops in Syria in the manner that they are? And Russian, even, as an extension (because of Petrinism) of the Western world? It certainly appears that those old Western colonies, the American Republic, are now colonizing the whole World.
Even modern day Israel can be explained, but not these others, these problematic anomalies, from an Old World and Pre Modern perspective.
As a result I think that the rift being created by these present day conflicts is a permanent one, between East and West, North and South, Modern and restored Pre Modern, Barbarian and Civilization, because at some point these different views will have to be put into the crucible of what is true, the really real.
I agree that it could be a pretty long rift... I think I will not elaborate any further, though, on these last points, as I already commented a lot and it is nearly lunch. I will treat myself to just considering these ideas and maybe responding later.