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Mandela received Mossad weapons training

Late South African icon met with Israeli agents in Ethiopia in 1962 under the alias David Mobsari, Israeli document shows

Nelson Mandela received training from Israel’s Mossad in the 1960s, an Israeli government document has revealed.

Mandela, the former South African president and anti-apartheid leader who died earlier this month, was trained by Mossad agents in weaponry and sabotage in 1962, according to a report in Haaretz that was based on a document in the Israel State Archives labeled “Top Secret.”
The document, a letter sent from the Mossad to the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem, said Mossad operatives also attempted to encourage Zionist sympathies in Mandela, Haaretz reported.

Mandela led the struggle against apartheid in his country from the 1950s. He was arrested, tried and released a number of times before going underground in the early 1960s. In January 1962, he left South Africa and visited various African countries, including Ethiopia, Algeria, Egypt and Ghana.

Mandela met with the Israelis in Ethiopia, where he arrived under the alias David Mobsari.

The letter noted that Mandela “showed an interest in the methods of the Haganah and other Israeli underground movements” and that “he greeted our men with ‘Shalom,’ was familiar with the problems of Jewry and of Israel, and gave the impression of being an intellectual. The staff tried to make him into a Zionist,” the Mossad operative wrote.

“In conversations with him, he expressed socialist worldviews and at times created the impression that he leaned toward communism,” the letter continued, noting that the man who called himself David Mobsari was indeed Mandela.

This letter was discovered several years ago by David Fachler, 43, a resident of Alon Shvut, who was researching documents about South Africa for a master’s thesis.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mandela-r ... -training/
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:eh:

Considering that Mandela said Israel is an apartheit state I find it very unlikely he would accept training from the secret service of said apartheit state.

Mandela kind of objected to apartheit. Evidence: his life. Just saying.
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Negotiator wrote:

Considering that Mandela said Israel is an apartheit state I find it very unlikely he would accept training from the secret service of said apartheit state.

Mandela kind of objected to apartheit. Evidence: his life. Just saying.



1962 was a very different world.
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Orthodox Judaism is Apartheid. However the state of Israel is only an Apartheid state in the sense that just about every nation state is an Apartheid state. Every nation state differentiates between the rights of its citizens and foreigners. The United States for example enslaves, imprisons, tortures and even murders foreigners without even the barest fig leaf of due process. The hypocrisy of American liberals just beggars belief. They whine on and on about Gaza, but never make such much as a whimper about Khalid Sheik Muhammad.

Most Liberals are not packing too much in the brain department it seems, but even I was shocked that the Lockdown Liberals chose Australia and New Zealand as their mascots for compassionate social policy. Have you seen the way Australia treats its asylum seekers? But even Britain which is generally considered a soft touch for illegal immigration, locks up suspected illegal on the basis of guilty till proven innocent.

Any way I've got a simple message for all the whining Liberals of Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand, if you're so concerned about the plight of the Muslims of the West Bank and Gaza, offer them all citizenship in your own countries. Unlike crowded Britain there's plenty of room in the lands that we British gave our blood and treasure to win for you.
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Rich wrote:


However the state of Israel is only an Apartheid state in the sense that just about every nation state is an Apartheid state.




Modern states are secular, they have to be, to avoid sectarian violence like you see in Israel. The European wars over religion were recent history to America's Founding Fathers, and they didn't want to repeat that mistake.

We have had many problems with immigrants over the years. But eventually we assimilate them. That's the opposite of apartheid.

That's quite the fantasy world you have there..
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Negotiator wrote::eh:

Considering that Mandela said Israel is an apartheit state I find it very unlikely he would accept training from the secret service of said apartheit state.

Mandela kind of objected to apartheit. Evidence: his life. Just saying.




Israel and South-Africa were allies.

As South-Africa tested the nuclear bomb, there were Israeli scientists there, so Israel had never to test its bomb.
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late wrote:Modern states are secular, they have to be, to avoid sectarian violence like you see in Israel. The European wars over religion were recent history to America's Founding Fathers, and they didn't want to repeat that mistake.

We have had many problems with immigrants over the years. But eventually we assimilate them. That's the opposite of apartheid.

That's quite the fantasy world you have there..

My apologies if I overestimated the intelligence of the average forumite. You completely missed the point of what I was saying. Yes I understand most states don't discriminate on the basis of morphological race the way Apartheid South Africa does. Most states don't discriminate on the basis of religion the way Saudi Arabia does. Thee do however massively discriminate on who is given citizenship.

However so called nation states almost by definition discriminate on the basis of citizenship and the right to citizenship is nearly always based on what country your parents are from. How is this fair? For example a young man in Ukraine at the start of the current conflict with a British or French passport is free to leave Ukraine, return to their home country and engage in the pursuit of happiness unhindered, but a young man with Ukrainian citizenship can not leave the country is subject to conscription, the loss of his liberty and is compelled into combat where he may face early death or horrific life changing injuries. How is this fair?

Yes I had noticed the difference between say modern Britain and Apartheid South Africa. :roll: People on the forum seem to constantly need to project their own stupidity on to me. South Africa had a raft of laws and regulations to enforce discrimination on the basis of morphological race, while in Britain there is a raft of laws and regulations to forbid discrimination on the basis of morphological race. We are utterly obsessed with not discriminating on the basis of morphological race, going to absurd lengths not to upset one of the "victims" of history. Yet if I want to travel from Calais to Dover I can just buy a ticket and get on a ferry, while others without a British passport are forced to pay people smugglers large sums to risk their lives in over crowded small boats. And if they do make it can be rounded up and put in a concentration camp. How is this fair?
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