Rugoz wrote:Surveys on secession right after the 2014 revolution.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2014 ... e-country/
This one is more detailed (region, ethnicity):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... secession/
(e.g. in Donas 22.5% wanted to join Russia and 8.4% wanted independence).
Surveys on the status of Donbas.
https://www.zois-berlin.de/fileadmin/me ... 3_2019.pdf
(e.g. in 2019 95.4% in the Ukrainian-controlled Donbas wanted Donbas to remain a part of Ukraine while only 54.5% in the Russian-controlled Donbas said so)
https://www.iri.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... ine_en.pdf
(Besides, in this survey only 1% say the "status of the Russian language" is an important issue for Ukraine, vs. corruption with 46% for example).
Hmm, do you think that the opinions would have changed after the actual ousting of the President by an armed mob in coordination with FIS..? Do you think opinions would have shifted after the Ukrainian state security apparatus seemed to collude with the hooligans who killed 39 Russians at the Odessa union building in May?
... and the subsequent 8 years of warfare likely changed a lot of minds
I know a Ukrainian who said he felt ambivalent and uncaring about politics in general until the Russian invasion... I imagine that a huge amount of people in the Donbass were essentially "awakened" (in the opposite way) when violence began occurring.
Which is why the referendums in 2014 yielded the results that they did and, even now, the Wikipedia article has the famous blip from a German journalist stating...
An opinion poll that was taken on the day of the referendum and the day before by a correspondent of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, The Washington Post, and five other media outlets found that of those people who intended to vote, 94.8% would vote for independence. The poll did not claim to have scientific precision, but was carried out to get a basis from which to judge the outcome of the referendum, given that independent observers were not present to monitor it. Even with those who said they would not vote counted in, a 65.6% majority supported separation from Ukraine.Archived Wikipedia page
[though I believe this still appears on Wikipedia, surprisingly so]
There was even an interview on the BBC where someone from the Donbass stated that they hope that Ukraine can remain united, the Russians be removed, etc., but the majority of people in my hometown want to be part of Russia
It seems illogical to me to suggest that they would not be upset about their President being removed from office..?
It also seems illogical that the wealthy industrial heartland that is getting fleeced by organized crime that controls much politics & commerce in the area wouldn't want to be integrated into a wealthier, less corrupt country that could presumably solve that problem. Cue the response "are you suggesting Russia is NOT CORRUPT? What about MUH DEMOCRACY?[/i]"
Lol, yeah, of course Russia has its share of issues but it is wealthier and less corrupt, and democracy is very low on the totem pole of values when you are poor and you've already got to experience the WonDeRs oF DeMoCrAcY for a quarter of a century under Kiev
Yeah man it sounds mean, I am not really here to shit on poor countries with major issues, but like I said before... There are reasons why this war happened 8 years ago. This is not some 19th century conflict where suddenly the Tsar shows up on the borderlands and swallows a quarter of the country because his great grandmother was the Archduchess of Odessa or some shit.