Tainari88 wrote:Who are you talking about @XogGyux ? Are you talking about @QatzelOk ? He was born in Canada. Quebec. He is a French and English speaking French Canadian.
Precisely my point.
The Old Trudeau was a very close friend of Fidel Castro if my memory serves me correct.
I am not sure if that is true, but how would that even be relevant?
I think your family chose to leave Cuba to get a better lifestyle and better opportunities.
This is not some sort of "moving up the class ladder". In many cases this is literally about survival. @Tainari88 People have gone on makeshift boats made out of cardboard and old tires. They risk their lives, they take their children and jump into a home made device that barely floats and without GPS or any other fancy equipment, they start a 90 miles journey on the caribbean sea to flee their country.
I never believe in you have to judge nations by how much money you can make there.
That is not the point. I am not calling mexico a shithole because mexicans make less $$ than the US. There are plenty of countries that make less $$ but at least there is freedom, people can work and work up the ladder and don't have a government that is constantly trying to reinvent the wheel to make people's lives more miserable. Do you know about "becas en el campo" in cuba? I think finally they got phased out with the reforms that came after Fidel died, so this might not be the current issue. But for 4 decades the goverment would use KIDS!!! as slave labor, they would basically take them from their families, transport them to the country side, and make them work in a potatofield planting and picking up potatoes from the floor. This was dangerous and economically stupid (kids are not efficient workers, they destroy the fields, they play with the foking potatos, they step on the fockiing potatoes, etc) So it was a foking stupid solution to a problem they created... nobody wanted to work on the fields because it is hard labor and the pay was shit, so they used kids as slave labor. Hurray Cuban "communism" right? Tell me, how is this any better than when Nike uses a guatemalan teenager to make a shoe or apple uses a chinese kid to make an iphone?
I never went for that. I strictly get attracted to countries by their culture.
All countries have culture.
Cuba is rich in culture.
So is Nepal, Japan, Argentia, The US, Mexico, the UK, Ireland, South Africa and Ukraine. All countries have culture.
But the USA was and continues to ba nation of immigrants and of poor people immigrants.
You think thats a bad thing? I think thats a great thing! Granted, some populists assholes in this country have forgotten it, but immigrants have made this country what it is... Founded by british, then Germanic imigration, Italian, Irish, Chinese/Japanese, Hispanic and not to mention the pre-existing native american and the kidnapped African population. The US is a rich, diverse country. Strong culture that have influence from all over the world.
They invaded Cuba, they invaded Puerto Rico, they invaded the Phillipines, they invaded Guam, and the list is very long XogGyux.
That is what countries do and have done since the dawn of time @Tainari88 . That is not new. Even Cuba have invaded other countries
The US hardly invaded Cuba. If they wanted to invade Cuba... seriously, you don't think they would have been able to do so? Ofcourse they could.
And I am not an expert on PR, but your people don't even seem to know what they want. One day they want independence, the other day they want statehood, the next just the status quo.
You know... countries invade, they wage war. I wish they wouldn't but they do. They have done so since there is recorded history and they will continue to do so for long after we are both dead. That being said, if we are just going to analyze this from a purely selfish point of view... I rather live on a strong country that nobody will invade than on a weaker one that will be invaded.
This is a silly "good vs evil" analogy that does not really represent geopolitics. Neither Cuba nor the US is the "good guy" or the "bad guy", this is how children see the world.
They cleansed the US states of Indians.
Who is "they"? People from 200 years ago? You know that is history right? There is nothing we can do about that. Statistically speaking, your people also participated in the masacre, and so did mine. I don't know your heritage but I'd guess you have some %% of spaniard on you, just like myself... spain was just as ruthless with their territories as England was, as france was, as portugal was, etc. And before that, the Romans conqured a good part of them as well, so fuck the romans. You see? it is just an endless cycle. And believe me... Cuba is not the angel that is here to purify the world from our sins. Cuba is just as ruthless and bloodthirsty as England was... except cuba does not have any power what so ever so they are irrelevant.
You see a lot of Seminoles, and other ancient Floridian tribes running around? No. Cuba lost many Indian people to European diseases. The European got addicted to tabacco. They got syphillis. Humans circulate among each other. I never believed one of them were better than the other.
I don't know what to say about this...
You think the native tribes in America were some sort of pacifist hippies? I am not justifying their eradication and genocide... but don't be fooled either. They killed each other just like the Europeans did. They waged wars, they raped. That is what humans do. The Europeans had the upper hand with more advanced weapons but also because they got lucky that the diseases they brought were far more deadly to the native population than the diseases they took back home.
Why? Systems. But why the imbalances and the lack of wealth distribution?
That simple. Scarcity + Evolutionary biology.
There are not enough resources in the world to give everyone a "middle income lifestyle". Maybe with technology and education of the population we will get there, but it won't happen during our lifetime, it simply cannot happen with the current production system and our current energy generation makeup. There is a reason why millions of people are descendants of Genghis Khan, ruthless conqueror. And his "success" in "mating" (disclaimer: and I am using it from a biological point of view, not suggesting that rape is a reasonable way to have children) ensured that those genes that made him violent AND greedy have been passed down generations. The same can be said about countless conquerors with far less flashy and extensive curriculum vitae and genealogical trees. The point is, humans are barbaric violent beings, not unlike most other animals. Luckily, we are smart enough to SLOWLY figure it out and fix the issue. It won't happen quickly. It will not happen within our lifetime. And pretending that Cuba, or the Soviet union or NK, or China figured it out is simply lying to yourself.
It is interesting. But the least moral people are always the ones with the most money. Lol. If we go by religious texts? It is all quite corrupt. The ones who own the gold and have the armies and the power....the ruler of those people are said to be the Satan in the desert from the bible. Lol.
Well, I don't take my moral teachings from a 2k year old book that is filled with murder and rape. For me, morality is about maximizing human (and as a 2nd objective, animals and other organisms) well being and minimizing harm. Morality does not come from books, or tradition or religion. Morality comes from each and every one of us trying to do the best thing we can to help others and ourselves.
I see value in moderation and in not living over what the world can sustain.
We are but a speck in this word. The word can sustain humanity. And we dont even need this word, there is nothing to stop us from conquering our whole solar system. There is nothing that says we cannot harness 100% of our sun's power and consume every single planet, asteroid in our solar system to make ourselves an unimaginable world.
There has to be a point of satiation for all things of consumption.
No. That is not natural, and if that is what you aspire for... you will not get it ever. The alpha male lion does not stop after the 3rd lioness "because I already inpregnated too many females" it will try to get the 4th and the 5th, etc until he cannot get more because either there are no more females, or because they resist or because he cannot defend more territory from other males, etc. That is not how nature is hardwired. One day, we might be able to put the interests of our fellow humans in front of our own selfish interests, but that day will not arrive for thousands of years. Don't believe me? Who do you rather have die? Your husband or two random kids in africa? Two lives, young lives with many years to live in the future, vs 1 life that you know and is important to you.
That the USA is admired because they got the means and so many other nations don't?
The US is admired for many reasons. For me... it is freedom. Yes, i know it sounds like a cliche, but having grow in a country with very limited freedoms, there is nothing like it.