- 29 Jan 2023 06:53
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As it turns out, both whites and blacks are slightly overrepresented in the police forces relative to their share of the overall US population.
https://datausa.io/profile/soc/police-o ... #ethnicity
Are you done with this tangent?
Or maybe systemic racism is one of the tell all explanation the left has for everything, just like the patriarchy and capitalism.
Global warming? Systemic racism
Earthquakes? Systemic racism
Cancer? Systemic racism
You are assuming it is the skeptics who bear the burden of proof here. I'd say it falls on those who want to put it as a tell all explanation for pretty much anything you don't like to provide it. Same for the patriarchy and capitalism.
Sen's argument seems like a non sequitur: Why does it matter if pregnant women prefer to abort girls? If anything, I thought they had the right to do as they pleased with the fetuses, including aborting them if they thought the father is Black or if it'd be a girl if it were born.
Are you saying their rights should be limited or what?
As in, what's the probability that an encounter between a Black person and a cop will end in the former being killed? And for a white person?
Also, what's the probability a cop will encounter a Black person to begin with? What affects it? How much discretion does a cop have to initiate an encounter, is this something officers decide or it's driven primarily by 911 calls?
...But it does provide a plausible explanation that is not really systemic racism. In this case, it could be about training. Or it could be more related to the callers. Or maybe the callers are not racist and the encounters are, in fact, justified (a cop is more likely to find an armed Black than an armed white). We don't know, and don't have the data to know either.
I think that the racism of the caller probably has something to do with this, based on the Karens you mentioned. Just how much it is driving these differences, I don't know.
Maybe, it's just too hard to know with the current info.
It's not just about the North being the free states. The northern states also got rid of Jim Crow laws before the South.
And there are states that didn't even exist when the Mason Dixon line was a thing, but it would seem they show the same patterns. Shouldn't that at least raise some eyebrows?
And also to get good salaries, pensions, etc just like any public sector union tries. It is the fact they have this type of power - an issue inherent to any modern state - that is the issue or, more precisely, the issue is that this type of power needs to be checked.
Pants-of-dog wrote:@wat0n
I have no idea how that is a reply to anything I have said.
Let us address one issue at a time:
Are you arguing that systemic racism would make it impossible for police to hire black people?
Yes or no?
As it turns out, both whites and blacks are slightly overrepresented in the police forces relative to their share of the overall US population.
https://datausa.io/profile/soc/police-o ... #ethnicity
Are you done with this tangent?
Wellsy wrote:
Agreed, they aren’t barred from becoming cops but I don’t see the significance of this other than the extreme case of overt discrimination in law which largely gets eroded or reframed in more abstract laws.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/tnamp/
But such presence doesn’t negate the point that practices and institutions can tend towards white supremacy.
To try and drive home how an increase in a demographic doesn’t automatically promote their interests against dominant norms.
https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/sen-critical-voice.pdf
Or maybe systemic racism is one of the tell all explanation the left has for everything, just like the patriarchy and capitalism.
Global warming? Systemic racism
Earthquakes? Systemic racism
Cancer? Systemic racism
You are assuming it is the skeptics who bear the burden of proof here. I'd say it falls on those who want to put it as a tell all explanation for pretty much anything you don't like to provide it. Same for the patriarchy and capitalism.
Wellsy wrote:And I would even give the example that a black american raised predominantly among whites tends to have a complex with themselves as they do not have the community support and resources against racist bullshit that pops up. A great example in the new Bel Air show is how Will is confused and offended with Carlton being okay with some white kids he goes to school with saying the n word. Will doesn’t tolerate that shit but what Will doesn’t understand about his cousin is that he likely accepts it as an adaption to that environment. He might’ve learned that he can’t effectively challenge it or that he doesn’t have the means to change it as one person.
Sen's argument seems like a non sequitur: Why does it matter if pregnant women prefer to abort girls? If anything, I thought they had the right to do as they pleased with the fetuses, including aborting them if they thought the father is Black or if it'd be a girl if it were born.
Are you saying their rights should be limited or what?
Wellsy wrote:As in to give a picture of how often people aren’t killed by police when they’re unarmed, without a mental health crisis and such. Disproportionally I imagine many encounters don’t escalate to death but they do attract attention because its quite a severe outcome and police are given the authority to act in such a manner, and often there isn’t mere tragic circumstances but excessive force and recklessness which harkens back to concerns of what underpins such violent practices among the US police resulting in higher deaths relative to most industrialized nations.
As in, what's the probability that an encounter between a Black person and a cop will end in the former being killed? And for a white person?
Also, what's the probability a cop will encounter a Black person to begin with? What affects it? How much discretion does a cop have to initiate an encounter, is this something officers decide or it's driven primarily by 911 calls?
Wellsy wrote: even with that priming though we expect a level of professionalism in how a threat is detained and there are examples of dangerous shooters who have been successfully detained without killing them. Makes one curious why unarmed blacks might be killed relative to those who are armed.
...But it does provide a plausible explanation that is not really systemic racism. In this case, it could be about training. Or it could be more related to the callers. Or maybe the callers are not racist and the encounters are, in fact, justified (a cop is more likely to find an armed Black than an armed white). We don't know, and don't have the data to know either.
I think that the racism of the caller probably has something to do with this, based on the Karens you mentioned. Just how much it is driving these differences, I don't know.
Wellsy wrote:It could simply be them aggro and they escalated their own situation and he ran and they just amped up en more. But such aggression still seems tied the culture of policing which has to deal with violence but increasingly examples show a lack of professionalism and deescalation tactics.
Maybe, it's just too hard to know with the current info.
Wellsy wrote:Why assume racism is less in the north these days? Because they were the free states? More blacks live in the south and grow up along side whites. In the north they are so segregated that they may not know any black people except the stereotypes. It’s not like you go north and its a racial utopia, shit was still nasty when the black diaspora had people moving for new opportunities and got redlined and shit.
There may be differences around racial relations, like my example above of actually knowing black people. But neither undermines the issue of racism as the south can still get ugly.
It's not just about the North being the free states. The northern states also got rid of Jim Crow laws before the South.
And there are states that didn't even exist when the Mason Dixon line was a thing, but it would seem they show the same patterns. Shouldn't that at least raise some eyebrows?
Wellsy wrote:Yes, unions are a means of propelling the cops to out severe political pressure on local governments as is seen with a lot of black mayors having to concede to them and even pander a little after BLM anti police sentiments snd protests. On another subject, coo city in Atlanta is such an issue of huge contention for Georgians there.
And also to get good salaries, pensions, etc just like any public sector union tries. It is the fact they have this type of power - an issue inherent to any modern state - that is the issue or, more precisely, the issue is that this type of power needs to be checked.