[Szabo]

Hey @Tainari88 , don't pay what Rich is saying no mind. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I can introduce you to a whole lotta Crimeans personally and have them tell you how much they hate Putin. There never was a fair and transparent referendum in Crimea. The words referendum and Russia are a contradiction in terms.

[Rancid]

@Rich is the guy that thinks NATO should perform a thunder run right into red square from Poland.

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88 I'm sorry but you seem to be the imperialist here, the racist. The will of the Crimean people has now been made clear over multiple votes. Your vision is a NATO boot grinding into a Crimean Russian face for ever. Just because Crimean Russians don't have dark skin doesn't mean they don't have the right to determine their own future. Its always the same with you NATO loving imperialists. When the Kosovans want to have self determination, well then we must launch a war to give them self determination. But when the overwhelmingly Serbian North Kosovo majority wants self determination, then oh no we don't care about that.

Rich, Russia imploded. It imploded. Why? We can open a thread and be on it years talking about why the whole thing came crashing down. But in the end the USSR dissolved and who runs Russia now? A bunch of mafioso oligarchs and Putin and his cronies. Is he a benevolent leader? No.

He competes with the USA and NATO. Why? Because he wants power. End of the story Rich.

He feels threatened by NATO. Why? I do not give a fuck. He has no right to be killing women, children and innocent people in Ukraine.

Somehow you and others get defensive when you call them on the carpet (Putin and his cronies) for being racist and imperialistic. They are. Who the hell tells these dictators that they have the right to more power and more land and more territory? No one. They want to be that. They choose to be that. You got to take responsibility for the leadership your nation gets. Unless you take action to change it? It does not change on its own.

The UK brexited out. They are now getting Tory incompetence. Rats on a sinking ship. Who is to blame? The UK people allowing that kind of bullshit to continue without any repercussions. That is life. You got to take action if you are not happy with the status quo Rich.

That is just living in the human government defective world.

Do I have aspirations for a Boricua Empire? No. I am not interested in going to the UK and visiting you in your neighborhood and forcing you to dance the El Despacito song and learn Spanish and eat mofongo or suffer the consequences.

First, because I do not think you are inclined to be a good dancer. Second, I think you would be too shy for such things. And third, you would be in culture shock by all of it. You need to adjust to the Puerto Rican way of life and it will take time to get you to adjust from the trauma of leaving all that British repression behind. You need practice.

Lol.

You can scream at me, and try to offend me all you want Rich. In the end it won't work. You make me smile and laugh too much over the years with your comments.

You are a creative dude. SO for that alone. You can be as nutty as you want to be with your extreme views. It will come to naught with the insults.

Don't you realize that calling me a racist and an imperialist just shows you are really feeling a little bit guilty for thinking what you think about others....it means your conscience is working on you....that was my plan all along....


Next you will be dancing Despacito....

Do you know what it means Rich? It means taking it slowly. As in making love to the girlfriend slowly, until she forgets her last name, and all her troubles, and all she wants to do is hang around having sex on the beach with her lover. A very Puerto Rican song.

It is not about British repression, or prudishness or decorum. It is about passion, emotion and pleasure. Hedonism. A very Puerto Rican characteristic.

It seems the world likes that. It has what 7 Billion views on youtube? Lol.

Hedonism. It is not obscene in my book.

But war and killing and blood and violence for some egomaniac dictator to control the world in some feverish power play sacrificing millions of innocents in the process? THAT IS OBSCENE.

For you Rich:

The only imperialism worth anything in this world?

Musical competition of who has the most fun?

Jajaja

[JohnRawls]

Costa Rica? What does that have to do with what I said John? Costa Rica is an independent nation in Central America. Their slogan is Pura Vida. Lol. The Capital is San José. I am from an island in the Caribbean, that is not independent and who's citizens are US citizens through the Foraker Act and so on? One is an independent nation that is not an island in the Caribbean and that have Costa Rican citizenship, and the other is an unincorporated US territory that has statutory US citizens on it.

One has people called Ticos short for costarricenses, that need to get a green card and a visa to live in the USA, and the other people Puerto Ricans can get on a plane and move without visas.

But in your mind they are the same? Why?

Ok, I get it.....Estonia, is the same as Croatia. Or is it Slovenia? It is all the same...some Melania Trump person, is really Estonian. All those Eastern European ex Communist colonies are all the same. Small places with no power with some poverty stricken people who eat Borscht. Because Russian food is Estonian food....it is all the same.

Think about how stupid that sounds to you John?

Sry, I wanted to say Puerto Rico. But the example still stands.

[Tainari88]

Sry, I wanted to say Puerto Rico. But the example still stands.

No, John, you need to clarify what you mean?

I am clear as day. Imperialism means invasions of places for power and or economic gain. It always means that. Might is Right. You either believe in that or you don't.

How is my example of what I mean not true?

You want to expand beyond your agreed upon borders? It is land that does not officially belong to you. You want it. For x or y reason. You look for an excuse to get what you want. You recruit people from poor and powerless parts of your Empire. You send them to die in imperial wars making sure they are pressured economically to obey you or you threaten them with jail or something. They usually are ethnic minorities with little power to oppose your plans.

You invade. You get your ambitions done. You expand and consolidate your power. You don't care about the lower classes. They are just meat to send to the meat grinder.

That is imperialism in a nutshell. Do you like it? I don't.

So you are even handed. You say, Putin style imperialism has got to go. USA imperialism has to go.

Putin respects raw power. He envies the USA style imperialism.

The PRC and China's Xi....sees old wounds done to China by Russia, by England, by the European British Empire...fucking around with China's old territories like Hong Kong and Taiwan. Forced out of them because the British sold them Opium to get a foothold in Chinese goods and resources. They divided and conquered and the Qing Dynasty was WEAK. They are going to show those bastard Foreign Devils that China is not weak. Putin is going to show NATO he is not WEAK.

All of them need to give up on the damn dominate the world syndrome.

Because it is not working. The USA has not been doing well with nation-building schemes. It is leaving those nations to the tender mercies of the Taliban and so on.

All these egos are bruised.

They should all be focusing on their own battered post-COVID populations and getting back on track with education, housing, health, and building up their own societies and not trying to wrest resources away from neighboring nations.

But no.....they are greedy. They want to impose and control.

When are they going to give up on imperialism shit? That is what I would like to know?

[Tainari88]

Hey @Tainari88 , don't pay what Rich is saying no mind. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I can introduce you to a whole lotta Crimeans personally and have them tell you how much they hate Putin. There never was a fair and transparent referendum in Crimea. The words referendum and Russia are a contradiction in terms.

Do you know how many bullshit referendums they have done in Puerto Rico that never are legally binding? All those Empires do the same bullshit power play. Cheap referendum.

The statehooders said, [Our referendum states overwhelming vote pro statehood. Then they do a deep dive on the evidence and 23% of the total adult voting population of Puerto Rico are the only ones who turned up for the vote on that stupid nonbinding referendum. Which means the majority of the Puerto Ricans never showed up for the referendum.

AOC got a good bill to hold congress accountable with a real vote. What happened? Republicans started saying they do not want to deal with that issue. It is always the same. No resolution. I call it the Imperialism playbook. All of the Empires got the same playbook. Fake referendums. Tell the people being invaded that they are really Russians and not Ukrainians. So, yes you speak Ukrainian and so on....but you really are Russians in disguise. Oh, you got a different flag, you got a different history. Well, not really. You will be who we tell you need to be. We need to say you are Russian but not give you any votes in the Kremlin, and no power over anything else. Just shut the fuck up and do what we tell you. When Moscow needs some Ukrainians to fight some other people in the future....just draft your dumbasses up and send you off to war as Russians.

That is the Yankee playbook for us. Is it similar to the Russians? Yes.

It is all like that Szabo, the imperialists come up with fake referendums. It is their modus operandi.

I get deja vu with the Crimean scene.

The reason the Americans did not invade all of Mexico is kind of interesting. This is the reason....a fired man named Trist thought it was in contradiction to what the USA should do. It is not an Empire. It is a Republic. He thought if the USA continued to think like Imperialists they would wind up betraying their principles.

He was right. They continued with the betrayal and if they do not change they also will wind up in the trash heap of ex empires like the UK, France, Spain, Germany and Holland, and Portugal, Italy and the list goes on and on....with all the ex Empires...who thought...yeah, we can hold on to these lands forever and keep gobbling it up without losing our grip. But they always lose their grip. Why?

The same reason why the Russians under Putin send out men to die without going to BootCamp first or without proper training and taking a bunch of old tanks out of storage. They do not give a shit about anything but their own power. HUBRIS.

[wat0n]

From what I can see, turnout was 55%... Not sure about where the 23% figure comes from.

More importantly, each side was free to campaign as it wished in it. I don't think the same happened in Crimea.

[Patrickov]

The PRC and China's Xi....sees old wounds done to China by Russia, by England, by the European British Empire...fucking around with China's old territories like Hong Kong and Taiwan. Forced out of them because the British sold them Opium to get a foothold in Chinese goods and resources. They divided and conquered and the Qing Dynasty was WEAK. They are going to show those bastard Foreign Devils that China is not weak. Putin is going to show NATO he is not WEAK.

The problem is
1. They were weak because they have inferior social and political system;
2. They may look strong now but they aren't right and not even their own kind want to remain there being ruled by themselves.
Check how many Chinese people want to emigrate? They don't actually do that en masse only because not everyone are capable of doing so, and / or not everyone of them want to pester the locals.

I am, regretably, seeiing this is some kind of justification of oppression and tyranny on the part of Russia and China, and I am not buying that.

[Rich]

He was right. They continued with the betrayal and if they do not change they also will wind up in the trash heap of ex empires like the UK, France, Spain, Germany and Holland, and Portugal, Italy and the list goes on and on....with all the ex Empires

I'm sorry here you're again displaying the most blatant racism. This trash heap of yours consists just of places of Empires that were led by Euracians. You don't mention Pakistan which is just the successor regime to the Mughal empire. You don't mention the national socialist Han empire of China. You don't mention the empire of Saudi Arabia which was an empire built on terror and genocide in the early twentieth century. You don't mention the Turkish Muslim genocider empire, which although cut down from its Ottoman days is still an oppressor of other ethnic groups.

And what of Mexico, again its hardly a nation state. Its a successor state to the Spanish Empire and has used anti democratic and brutal methods to maintain its hold over its territories. The conflict in Ukraine is not some simple good vs evil conflict. It is a conflict in which there has been wrong doing on both sides. Putin most certainly needs to be contained, but that is very different from supporting the conquest of Crimea so it can be turned into an effective American protectorate where the US military -industrial -security complex can projects its power into the Caucuses and central Asia.

[Patrickov]

@Rich I appreciate your points against Tainari88, but would you explain why you seem to have a soft spot on Russia, which is no better than all the countries you mentioned, or arguably even worse?

[JohnRawls]

No, John, you need to clarify what you mean?

I am clear as day. Imperialism means invasions of places for power and or economic gain. It always means that. Might is Right. You either believe in that or you don't.

How is my example of what I mean not true?

You want to expand beyond your agreed upon borders? It is land that does not officially belong to you. You want it. For x or y reason. You look for an excuse to get what you want. You recruit people from poor and powerless parts of your Empire. You send them to die in imperial wars making sure they are pressured economically to obey you or you threaten them with jail or something. They usually are ethnic minorities with little power to oppose your plans.

You invade. You get your ambitions done. You expand and consolidate your power. You don't care about the lower classes. They are just meat to send to the meat grinder.

That is imperialism in a nutshell. Do you like it? I don't.

So you are even handed. You say, Putin style imperialism has got to go. USA imperialism has to go.

Putin respects raw power. He envies the USA style imperialism.

The PRC and China's Xi....sees old wounds done to China by Russia, by England, by the European British Empire...fucking around with China's old territories like Hong Kong and Taiwan. Forced out of them because the British sold them Opium to get a foothold in Chinese goods and resources. They divided and conquered and the Qing Dynasty was WEAK. They are going to show those bastard Foreign Devils that China is not weak. Putin is going to show NATO he is not WEAK.

All of them need to give up on the damn dominate the world syndrome.

Because it is not working. The USA has not been doing well with nation-building schemes. It is leaving those nations to the tender mercies of the Taliban and so on.

All these egos are bruised.

They should all be focusing on their own battered post-COVID populations and getting back on track with education, housing, health, and building up their own societies and not trying to wrest resources away from neighboring nations.

But no.....they are greedy. They want to impose and control.

When are they going to give up on imperialism shit? That is what I would like to know?

You said that Puerto Rico needs are not fully represented by the US which is imperealism. That was a response to Rancids post that says that US fully represents Ukranian ideas on peace while Chinas is totally contradictory. Does this make in this case US anti-imperialist while China is imperialist?

[Tainari88]

The problem is
1. They were weak because they have inferior social and political system;
2. They may look strong now but they aren't right and not even their own kind want to remain there being ruled by themselves.
Check how many Chinese people want to emigrate? They don't actually do that en masse only because not everyone are capable of doing so, and / or not everyone of them want to pester the locals.

I am, regretably, seeiing this is some kind of justification of oppression and tyranny on the part of Russia and China, and I am not buying that.

Patrickov, the reality is that China was poor as hell as recently as the late seventies. They revved up the state capitalism and studied the Yankee playbook. If you study how the USA became a superpower it has a pattern. That is a topic for a separate thread eh? The issue is that China is the Middle Kingdom and is the most powerful nation state in Asia. Almost half of all of the human population resides in Asia alone. In terms of people living within that governmental influence sphere it is an enormous amount. Chinese immigration to the USA would have been a lot higher than it currently is if the USA had not passed a bunch of laws restricting immigration from China and prohibiting Chinese immigrants from becoming US citizens or owning property and businesses. The US did pass specifically racist laws in the past to make sure the Chinese immigrants to the USA got zero socioeconomic progress. If you think those moves on the US gov't part is fair and good and not racist? I do not agree with you. Such phrases as 'a Chinaman's chance' and 'coolie' and 'yellow menace' among many other pejorative language followed up with intimidation, burning Chinese businesses to the ground and running Chinese people off their land and not allowing them to trade in California and many other states should wake you up to the fact of what racism looked like in the USA in the past.

The USA now receives a lot of US citizen applications from China. But now, congress and the government does not trust that these immigrants are honestly seeking integration. They are worried about TikTok and spying. Here in Mexico Chinese goods and products that I never see present in the American US consumer market are everywhere. MG the brand of car is not present in the USA but is present in Mexico. Huawei, and many other brands. All sell enormous amounts of phones and computers, electronics, etc. It is expanding all over Latin America. Why? They took a page out of the Yankee playbook. They are trying to get us in debt to them, to pay interest payments, they want port access, favorable trading terms, and they will undermine the USA influence. If the USA would have treated Latin America as places to develop with a sense of justice in terms of investments and infrastructure put into school systems, rail systems, highway systems, etc and not just a place to pay super low wages and exploit with no real investment in development? The Chinese would have had a very hard time making inroads into Latin America.

But the Yankees have that flaw I discussed above. HUBRIS. The same one Putin has. They think they do not have to deal fairly as equals with any others they deem their social and economic inferiors.

The problem with imperialistic mindsets is that they have a serious problem. They fail to realize that humanity is humanity. All of us are creative, and innovative potentially incredibly flexible and adaptable beings, and if you give us the right conditions we rise to the challenge to make something work and to make something better. But if you underestimate us because of a flawed mentality of the inferiors are beneath us. We are better? You build the Trojan Horse historically speaking. And you wind up losing your grip on the territories you used to conquer easily.

It is a way of thinking that is flawed. It happens all the time in history. Human beings and their governments all learn from each other, and observe each other all the time. It is like primates. In the wild. The group is social. They always want to know what the other members are up to. We learn together. Whether it is from a friend or a foe eh?

I want to answer @Rich and I might have a chance. But today I have leave on a long road trip to Campeche. To a town that had the Mayans defeat all the Spaniards that tried to conquer that town. The Spaniards tried various times to take it over. They never won. The Spaniards just accepted that those people were fierce and unconquerable. And to this day they speak Mayan always and never really became part of the Spanish cultural mode. There are parts of history in Mexico and in many places around the world that you never really heard of their version of events. Because it is not convenient for the people who are embarrassed at their failures. But in the end? Never underestimate the people whom you think are the weak and the powerless. Because as human beings we all are untapped potential. All of us. The ignorant think of our species as inferior vs superior. They should be thinking, shit, when are these people going to learn just how flawed we are and maybe wind up doing it much better than even we did....simply because to escape the oppression, they got creative? Lol.

I will be electronics free until Monday. When I get back home to Mérida.

I hope you can wait for replies then. I got too much to do today.

¿Oístes eso Rich? Tienes que ser paciente. Stick that in Google translate and you will figure out what I said to you @Rich

[Tainari88]

You said that Puerto Rico needs are not fully represented by the US which is imperealism. That was a response to Rancids post that says that US fully represents Ukranian ideas on peace while Chinas is totally contradictory. Does this make in this case US anti-imperialist while China is imperialist?

The issue you have is not thinking the way China views things. It is not the way the US views things. China sees that the US signed a One China policy and agreed to have China get Taiwan back. Taiwan does not want to be part of mainland China. But how much power will Taiwan have to buck the PRC if it truly wants that back? Without the US and other powers opposing it is going to be very difficult to fend off the PRC.

The USA is fearing China is getting to parity within the next twenty or thirty years. What is parity? It means having the same amount of circulating wealth to possibly challenge the US dollar as the currency that is traded in the world and which gives you a lot of economic leverage all over the world.

China is going for expansion of markets. Fasces argues that China only wants economic expansion and is not imperialistic in the classic sense that the USA and the Western powers are. Is that true? We won't know for sure until the PRC gains the parity and we start to observe their behavior. The key to their behavior lies on how they treat the nations within the PRC that are ruled by them politically but that are marginalized by them ethnically and socioeconomically. If it is oppressive? And they oppress the working class ruthlessly? Do not expect fairness as an Empire from the PRC.

The USA supposedly does the carrot or the stick style diplomacy. The problem they got is that they have sellout politicians. That means people who do not really feel any real patriotism for anything or anyone or any real loyalties other than their own pocketbooks. You see that in the behavior they exhibit with corporations who have bribed both parties the Dems and the Repubs in fairly consistent ways. They all give in to greed and do not care if the government has the power to discipline the private sector. They choose not to discipline them. So the PRC CCP sees that and says, -there is the weakness and the opening. We attack them in their need to make short term profits. They do not believe in central authority of the state. They believe so blindly in market monopolies and they lack loyalty to the state apparatus. It is just being used to dismantle it in order for the private plutocrats to rule the entire thing unopposed. We exploit that weakness and their economy will eventually fall, we move in and replace the instability with stability. They owe us, and they depend on access to our markets. But we control the private corporations and they have to do what we say. That is where we win that fight.

And the PRC is winning that fight because all these idiots in the USA think that destroying government and never raising taxes and being in constant debt means the government collapses and the capitalists and banks are the true backbone of empire. They fail to realize that it is not. The true backbone of empire is the government. You weaken it with corruption and you betray a democratic principle for profit motives and bribes? The PRC with all its corruption and lack of variation in political choices has a lot of backing in China. Why? They have brought home the bacon. They created a big leap from poverty to middle class status with the ripping off of state capitalism.

I could go on and on with that. But the truth is if you are into believing all that bullshit about superior Yanks and inferior Chinese, or Putin the dictator and musical chairs in the UK, and France is burning because they want to raise the retirement age etc. The opportunity for a real power vacuum is real.

The USA is full of divided sides who really are polarized. There is little ability to fight the ones on top making the rules in the USA that is dragging the government's ability to be effective and respond to crisis. Instead it is mired in inefficiencies and stumbles.

[Fasces]

Xi snubbed Putin after their summit, calling a meeting of Central Asian countries as part of an audacious power play

China's leader, Xi Jinping, has called a meeting of former-Soviet Central Asian countries, in an audacious power play in Russia's backyard the week of his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Xi invited the leaders of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan to the first China-Central Asia summit on Wednesday, the AFP news agency reported. It remains unclear whether the reclusive state of Turkmenistan has been invited.

The states are all former members of the Soviet Union, and Moscow has long regarded them as being in its sphere of influence after the then-Russian Empire conquered them in the 19th century.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/xi ... r-AA18Zdrl

[Wellsy]

Supports my own speculation about China that it definitely has a strong interest in having influence over the -stan countries as its access to the west.

Countries many perhaps do not give much mind to in the west are of prime importance to the ambitions of China’s economic security.

[Rancid]

It means having the same amount of circulating wealth to possibly challenge the US dollar

TL;DR: China doesn't have to dominate the world militarily, or economically, in order to ruin it for everyone. This fact, provides them with potent cover for their designs. We see it at play on pofo with the CCP apologizers. China and Russia are nations that look backwards, no forward, which is dangerous. Don't misunderstand, I'm not suggesting the US is forward looking and a beacon of future progress either, at least as long as MAGAs don't take over. At least the US won't take us as far backwards as Russia/China would.



People that understand the situation do not fear the dollars challenge from China.

China simply doesn't have the political (and cultural) structures that support the economic structures required to become a de-facto reserve currency. That's among other issues domestically (which are super super super understated, and super super super critical), regionally, and globally.

The fallacy people believe en masse, including on pofo is that the dollar is the global reserve currency due to some sort of cheating or manipulation. While it is true the US cheats (like any nation does, including China), this isn't what propels the dollar as the reserve currency. What makes the dollar dominate is:

- Relatively free and unrestricted access to the dollar. IN short, the US government doesn't manipulate the dollar as much as you guys like to think. No where near to the level other nations manipulate their currencies, especially China. No one is interested in using an authoritarian regime's currency. A regime that lies like hell (their economic data is not accurate intentionally). That is not good for business. WHile the US lies, they tend not to lie about economic data like CHina does. Mainly because the US economy is not centrally managed, so even if they wanted to lie (they do), they simply can't.

- The US, since WWII has agreed to use its projection of power across the world, to protect world trade (example, US drones protect oil pipelines in Turkey, something Turkey appreciates). This system, enables even small nations no one cares about to participate in the global economic system. Even little old Dominican Republic has seen explosive growth since I was kid precisely for this reason (the US assists in protecting its ports for example). China doesn't have this capability, nor will they ever (their big scary navy is really only capable of regional reach, an will stop there), nor are they actually even interested in that. The US did this to avoid the giant imperial wars of WWI and WWII. BY allowing everyone to participate, and guaranteeing safety to participate, no one had to go out and build empires to protect their own spheres and colonies. Nations like Russia and China are stuck in the past, they want a world were empires get their playground. Last point, after WWII, with the US being the last man standing and with nuclear arms, they could have just gone all in on old school imperialism, but they didn't.

The Russian and Chinese vision for the world is regressive. It looks to past. It looks to establish a world of empires, of colonization. They want to go backwards, not forwards. While the USA is no angel, it is the nation that was able to pull the globe away from that world after WWII. What we need now, is to move further beyond that; and most certainly, we should not move backwards as Russia and China do. These are nations that are pathologically obsessed with history, with past glory, much like MAGA morons (A MAGA led US would take us down the same path that Russia and China want as well, not good for the world).

This is actually why China is able to fool people like some of our pofo members. It is true, China is interested in establishing it's regional empire mostly, but to maintain it's playground, it will need to manipulate/control/influence globally. Pofoers will say "you see! China doesn't want to establish a global hegemony!". However, what Xi wants still has negative global consequences. It seeks to send us back to an age of empires, an age of colonization and vassal states. An age where smaller nations must be colonies to regional empires in order to survive a meager existence. It is not forward looking. Russia has a similar mindset, but structurally, they are worse off than China. Hence, they are now becoming one of those colonies of China. I don't want that kind of world. IN short, giving China it's regional playground (i.e. empire), is bad for the whole world. It's not just bad for those in China's backyard, because to maintain it's own regional empire, China must establish a system that is underpinned by regional empires globally. Puerto Rico, may not be a colony of China in this case, but it will more strongly be a colony of the US under this system. Worse than it is today.

[Patrickov]

Patrickov, the reality is that China was poor as hell as recently as the late seventies. They revved up the state capitalism and studied the Yankee playbook. If you study how the USA became a superpower it has a pattern. That is a topic for a separate thread eh? The issue is that China is the Middle Kingdom and is the most powerful nation state in Asia. Almost half of all of the human population resides in Asia alone. In terms of people living within that governmental influence sphere it is an enormous amount. Chinese immigration to the USA would have been a lot higher than it currently is if the USA had not passed a bunch of laws restricting immigration from China and prohibiting Chinese immigrants from becoming US citizens or owning property and businesses. The US did pass specifically racist laws in the past to make sure the Chinese immigrants to the USA got zero socioeconomic progress. If you think those moves on the US gov't part is fair and good and not racist? I do not agree with you. Such phrases as 'a Chinaman's chance' and 'coolie' and 'yellow menace' among many other pejorative language followed up with intimidation, burning Chinese businesses to the ground and running Chinese people off their land and not allowing them to trade in California and many other states should wake you up to the fact of what racism looked like in the USA in the past.

1. My response to the China problem (or the wider Asia continental problem) is simply "why they have to be under the same administration / government / nation if they cannot hold it together"?

2. I see myself very much a racist. I am a Chinese, but I see myself a white supremacist, which can mostly be summarized that "whites (Anglo-Saxons or Germanics) are better at administration so every country should follow their current example". To me, telling me "the West used to do this" is not relevant, because they very much don't do that now (or at least not so explicitly).

3. The USA is right for not trusting all the Chinese immigration applications, but as I said, that also reflects how China is to themselves, and frankly I share every bit of that opinion.

4. To me, anti-imperialism is naive or even a lie. You may think humanity is all good and just those few wicked wrecked your ideal world. I see it more like gravity and the structure of the cosmos -- they are bound to happen. I merely see Western Imperialistic world order better, and very much open to improvement, unlike the Russian or Chinese ones.

[JohnRawls]

1. My response to the China problem (or the wider Asia continental problem) is simply "why they have to be under the same administration / government / nation if they cannot hold it together"?

2. I see myself very much a racist. I am a Chinese, but I see myself a white supremacist, which can mostly be summarized that "whites (Anglo-Saxons or Germanics) are better at administration so every country should follow their current example". To me, telling me "the West used to do this" is not relevant, because they very much don't do that now (or at least not so explicitly).

3. The USA is right for not trusting all the Chinese immigration applications, but as I said, that also reflects how China is to themselves, and frankly I share every bit of that opinion.

4. To me, anti-imperialism is naive or even a lie. You may think humanity is all good and just those few wicked wrecked your ideal world. I see it more like gravity and the structure of the cosmos -- they are bound to happen. I merely see Western Imperialistic world order better, and very much open to improvement, unlike the Russian or Chinese ones.

Even if you have this view, then it is contradictory of reality. Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese are Western but not European or White. Which ruins your logic a lot. Asians are just as capable at ruling themselves given the chance and experience.

The West didn't become the West without a lot of suffering. Arguably we needed 3 world wars (If you count Napoleonic war as a world war) to actually reach this point. The first real movement in this direction was a direct result of the Napoleonic wars which did produce around 50-60 years of peace between all great powers. Which is perhaps the longest humanity had ever had peace between "great" powers.

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Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese are Western but not European or White.

[Tainari88]

1. My response to the China problem (or the wider Asia continental problem) is simply "why they have to be under the same administration / government / nation if they cannot hold it together"?

2. I see myself very much a racist. I am a Chinese, but I see myself a white supremacist, which can mostly be summarized that "whites (Anglo-Saxons or Germanics) are better at administration so every country should follow their current example". To me, telling me "the West used to do this" is not relevant, because they very much don't do that now (or at least not so explicitly).

3. The USA is right for not trusting all the Chinese immigration applications, but as I said, that also reflects how China is to themselves, and frankly I share every bit of that opinion.

4. To me, anti-imperialism is naive or even a lie. You may think humanity is all good and just those few wicked wrecked your ideal world. I see it more like gravity and the structure of the cosmos -- they are bound to happen. I merely see Western Imperialistic world order better, and very much open to improvement, unlike the Russian or Chinese ones.

@Patrickov you got a serious colonized mentality. Lol. I thought you had identity issues but they go way beyond the norm.

The Chinese politically are a result of trial and error. Like all of humanity's political experiments. It is an old human civilization. If not the oldest. All human societies have all kinds of violence, hatred, disputes, and resentments. IN THEIR OWN GROUP. Do you see the Anglos all singing kumbaya among themselves and no real differences within the Anglo world? I guess you won't accept as evidence the American Civil War? White people from the North versus White people from the South. But hey they don't get along? French Imperialists like Bonaparte, versus English imperialists like Wellington, etc. Lol. It is foolish to even suggest there is solidarity based on sheer shit like 'race or ethnicity being the same'. The Spaniards had a really bloody as hell civil war among themselves. Francisco Franco and the Anarchists, Republicans, Commies and so on....no, Patrickov it is about IDEOLOGY and power. That is why all human societies fight over Señor. To think the Anglos are the nice guys and the Russians are the baddies, the Chinese are demonic and the Africans are Saints or the Latin Americans are drug dealers only is for super dumb and stupid people. Look for complexity. It is all one species within tremendously interesting cultural, linguistic and social and economic variations in varying degrees. What one society does well the other might fail at. The reason for this in my opinion? Is to create strength of survival in that variation. That is part of the plan for variation in all things that nature does in the world. Human culture is no exception.

Noemon was right to tell you that the UK is not going to stick its neck out to save Hong Kong Patrikov. It will not do so. If you knew the UK style of political behavior it is risk-averse and isn't very honest. Those are the two main characteristics of Anglo-style politics. Extremely moral, just, and honest political people are rare in all governments in the world. Most are a bunch of sellouts with cold hearts and corrupt minds.

You should direct some energy to back your view of Hong Kong and its future and work actively to get that transformed.

Get engaged @Patrickov in making Hong Kong Anglo and white supremacist. Because the truth is there is variation in all groups. Not all Hong Kongers are going to agree with you. And you need to live in a world of variation of political and economic differences.

The truth for you is not the truth for me or for many others with differences in experiences, and in values. Accept that and stop with ideas of wanting to die or kill other people. Let it all go and take action that makes you feel good about taking action to help bring about your version of the truth. It will make your life much better.

For me the ultimate truth is to love people for who they are. Not for who you would like them to be. The reality is all nations are here to bring about balance. It can only happen by interacting and exchanging and communicating with each other. Again, we learn from both friends and foes. In the end? If love is our greatest value? We are going to choose life above all else. And that is a good thing. For all of us.