- 08 Jun 2023 16:07
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No, he was arrested under that pretext which sincerely dumbfounded both him and his followers and which is what actually matters. It does not matter how Russian authorities justified his torture, but how he truly saw himself.
And he saw himself as a Russian democrat, not as a Ukranian nationalist.
More to the point, it matters what Ukrainians did to pursue his vision, a whole lot of nothing.
The Northumbrians(what you now call lowland Scots) were Anglo-Saxons indeed, the Scots were Gaelic. The Scots due to the Northumbrians and due to GB became Anglicised to the point that Gaelic has become a near-extinct language and culture.
Scots and English do not look back to a common ancestor. Russians, Ukranians and Belorussians do. That is Russians, Little Russians and White Russians in open translation.
Scots are Celts like the Irish. They look back to a common ancestor.
It's funny that we are arguing this because I've this been told by Scottish and Irish people, all of them academics. This is the regular standard reading of this matter in the UK and at the end of the day, this is precisely what we are talking about. The consciousness on people's minds, what they think when they think of themselves.
Potemkin wrote:He was arrested specifically because he wanted independence for Ukraine. And he was the national poet for Ukrainians long before the Bolsheviks came along.
No, he was arrested under that pretext which sincerely dumbfounded both him and his followers and which is what actually matters. It does not matter how Russian authorities justified his torture, but how he truly saw himself.
And he saw himself as a Russian democrat, not as a Ukranian nationalist.
More to the point, it matters what Ukrainians did to pursue his vision, a whole lot of nothing.
I did not claim that the Scots are the same people as the English. I merely jointed out that the (majority of) Scots and the (majority of) English share a common ethnic and cultural ancestor. Which is why we both speak English.
My point is that it’s not as simple as that. History seldom is. A tiny minority of Scots speak Gaelic as their first language, a language which the vast majority of Scots can’t understand a word of. And not even their ancestors 1500 years ago would have understood a word of it. The Scots from the Highlands and Islands are Gaelic, but the Scots from the Lowlands are essentially Angles and Saxons, who speak English as their native language and have always spoken English as their native language. They were never ‘Anglicised’ - they started out that way. And all this happened long before England became a unified nation-state, so we can’t blame them for it. Lol.
They weren’t Anglicised, because they already spoke English. Nobody forced them to speak it or even ‘influenced’ them to speak it. And they were and are just as Scottish as the Gaelic speakers from the Highlands and Islands.
The Northumbrians(what you now call lowland Scots) were Anglo-Saxons indeed, the Scots were Gaelic. The Scots due to the Northumbrians and due to GB became Anglicised to the point that Gaelic has become a near-extinct language and culture.
Scots and English do not look back to a common ancestor. Russians, Ukranians and Belorussians do. That is Russians, Little Russians and White Russians in open translation.
Scots are Celts like the Irish. They look back to a common ancestor.
It's funny that we are arguing this because I've this been told by Scottish and Irish people, all of them academics. This is the regular standard reading of this matter in the UK and at the end of the day, this is precisely what we are talking about. The consciousness on people's minds, what they think when they think of themselves.
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