Potemkin wrote:There is no rational basis for morality, and even if there were it would merely be a glorified version of the grubby calculated self-interest upon which capitalism’s post-hoc justifications are based. The whole point of this thread, surely, is to explore alternatives to that mode of thought. As soon as we talk about morality in a non-rational sense, we enter the realm of religion and spirituality. The thieves you observed in that store were committing a sin, not merely a logical faux pas, which is why the thought of their behaviour is ‘persecuting’ you.
I would be interested in knowing your own moral code of ethics and what is moral for you Potemkin?
People ask me what my moral code or ethical code is all the time? Hoping to hear it is based on religion. It is not. It is based on humanism and love. Natural law for many is supposedly 'savage' but if you take the time to observe nature and natural law it has to do with certain rules that are endemic to living in this material world.
For me? I have known too many religious people who are the worst human beings on planet Earth. Everything is about sinfulness and they commit the worst sins on Earth and then go to God for forgiveness and for washing away their sins. Such as rape, murder, pedophilia, torture, cruelty, spiteful malice, lying on someone to make sure they get the blame for their own covetous behavior or sinful behavior, class power abuse, wife beating, murdering innocent animals, children, and other vulnerable people, stealing people's life savings with lies, stealing others properties worked with hard sweat and they want all of it to be able to live luxuriously, fraud, con games, gambling fevers where their mothers and wives and so on lose their homes and all their money because the stupid husband can't say no to gambling addictions. Stealing from their own mothers to stick some heroine needle up their arms, etc.
All of them can be the most religious pious people on Earth.
They all throw themselves down on their knees begging God and Christ to forgive them. Then they get up and do it all over again, because they just use their religious beliefs to wash themselves of the responsibility they have of CHANGING THEIR BEHAVIOR. I do not care about lip service. And prayers full of fake remorse.
So, what is a code one must adopt in this world and live by? A humanistic code, and one that is about true socialism. Respect other individuals and group's civil rights, and universal human rights. What does it mean to be human? To be humane. And socialism what is the creed?
What is your code of ethics Potemkin?
For me capitalism is the worship of Mamon above anything else. It is literally a Satanic system. Those who do not understand that are foolish in their supposed Christianity.
For me the Protestants with their crazy Protestant Ethic and God approves of you if you are rich and prosperous, and also do not go for bling is the epitome of nuttiness in Christianity. That is why I think these Televangelists and those moralists on the 700 Club are complete and utter hypocritical lying people with nothing to do with morality. They justify devilish behavior with some veneer of being true Christians. Fakes. All of them.
I detest religious false prophets. They are the most damaging people on every possible level. Probably worse than some banker cynical capitalist freak.
Jimmy Swaggart. Lol. A good example of who I speak of....
They make money, they live in luxury. They beg forgiveness. They sin. Lol. They sin again. They do not change. They keep going with the bullcrap.
Change? They do not really do that. Because they use Christ to say he has done the hard work of figuring out how much burden I do on my society....I give it all to Him. He really is saying, I am not going to do a damn thing. I am going to keep conning and asking for money, spend on a lot of bling and gaudy stupid consumer goods, and I will continue to keep going with the dumbness.
I do not like nor do I think they repent really. It is all an act.
These lying politicians all claim to be highly religious people. Men of Faith. It is all BULLSHIT. It is.
You know when my mother died, the priest that she had worked with creating a curriculum for Special Education students that he dealt with asked me if my mother was a true believer. A true Roman Catholic. I told him the truth. My mother was baptized a Roman Catholic. She never went to mass, she never confessed at all as far as I know, she never attended church at all. Nothing. He was stoic and did not know any surprise. He asked me, 'Do you think she believed in Christ and in God?' I told him the truth. My mother was scientific, a Marxist existentialist, and a socialist. She was an academic and also worked with labor studies and school systems and education of the poor and the oppressed. She believed in universal human rights. Was she religious¡ No, she was not. At all. She doubted seriously and thought the religious were strange. I was never baptized.
He thought about it and said, 'I want to present a special covenant to your mother. It means that those with education issues can pray to her and ask for her intervention. She is a lay person. But she is very special. We are giving her a special recognition for her to be prayed to and consulted.' I asked him why? He said, 'the people decide who is the Christian in action of all. It is not about what she might have had doubts about. Did she act like a follower of Christ in deed and how she treated her fellow human beings. As far as I am concerned she was the best Roman Catholic I could think of. Her actions were of a woman of deep faith. Action is what counts. Not words and not doubts.'
That was the end of it. The people whom my mother served were humble Roman Catholic working class and lower middle class Latin Americans. They insisted on her being given recognition. It was their choice to do so.
I found it interesting. Because the truth is ACTIONS are more important by far than proclamations of faith.
For me the false ones are out there. And they do not change this world. By their fruits you shall know them. That is in the bible eh?
That should be what anyone needs to know what is moral and who was moral and who was not eh? Rotten fruit. Rotten person. Good fruit. Good person.
Not a bunch of lip service! Fake damn religious hypocritical devils!