[skinster]

You can't answer why you're a promoter of ruling class politics?

I know. I just wanted you to confirm it.

[ingliz]

you're a promoter of ruling class politics

I am not.

That you can not recognise this shows how confused you are.

Offering choice is not oppressing a minority of a minority.

I haven't published pamphlets inciting hate.

And I am not putting labels on posters here that have got innocent people killed in the real world.

[skinster]

I haven't published pamphlets inciting hate.

Accepting material reality over postmodern identity politics pushed by the ruling class (which you defend) is not "inciting hate"

Feel free to quote the part you believe calls for hate. Recognise biological realities does not fall under 'hate', unless you're in a cult, which you are.

And I am not putting labels on posters here that have got innocent people killed in the real world.

Spare your emotive crap, it doesn't suit you, and I'm impervious to that type of shite coming from the likes of the sorry crew of trans activists here and in the real world.

[ingliz]

@skinster

Incitement to abuse.

Quoting your pamphlet...

"Would it be wrong to try and treat any of these conditions?"

This, in context, is a call for conversion therapy.

All forms of ‘conversion therapy’ fall qualitatively within the scope of the absolute prohibition of torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment under the ECHR and UK and international human rights law.

[QatzelOk]

Your argument is stupid because you are anthropomorphizing animal behaviour.

Sexual penetration is animal behavior, and humans are animals.

Facts that can't be refuted.

Meanwhile, no animals chemical castrate their own species, though humans have been known to do this to their slave animals (pets and cattle).

Humans were told a few thousand years ago that they were "more than human" or "not just animals." But what they became afterwards was... cattle. And humans can prevent other humans from indulging in gay sex... just like they often prevent their animal slaves from natural sexuality.

Chemical castration and surgeries are not natural sexuality, and those that receive these atrocious treatments... will regret this for the rest of their lives.

Get your nose pierced instead because... it grows out when you get older.

[ingliz]

@QatzelOk

Channelling Darwin...

I can see how, for particularly stupid animals, indiscriminately fucking anything that moves and hoping something sticks works.

In herd animals, fleeting dominance and submission rituals would be useful.

Even female same-sex sexual behaviour could offer advantages if one of the pair sought male company in the breeding season.

But in humans, exclusive male same-sex sexual behaviour with no heterosexual sex in the offing doesn't seem to offer any evolutionary advantage.

It doesn't seem to be 'animal' behaviour.

[skinster]

@skinster

Incitement to abuse.

Quoting your pamphlet...

"Would it be wrong to try and treat any of these conditions?"

This, in context, is a call for conversion therapy.

Actually, in context, the quote does not call for conversion therapy. I see you have gone from lying about the nature of our sex (or "identity") to being a liar elsewhere. As I say about trans activists, if they are willing to lie about something so obvious to the eyes, they can hardly be trusted on anything else they say. The quote comes from this section:

Generally, there is no dispute that the ‘natural’ or ‘normal’ human form is to have two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, two arms and two legs. Yet disorders of formation of all these tissues can occur in the womb.

Do disorders of limb bud development prove that arms and legs are a social construct? We are yet to be berated for our outmoded understanding of limb binarism. Yet has the reader fully considered that with ‘genetic surgery’, manipulation of hormonal and cellular signalling and tissue differentiation, the administration of certain medicines and drugs, or simple amputation alone (truly an ancient medical procedure), it is possible for those who feel ‘limb-fluid’ to free themselves from the oppression of a limb-binary world and have four legs – or none?

Do disorders of gut development (imperforate anus, exomphalos, gastroschisis) prove that the human intestine residing inside the abdominal cavity is a ‘social construct’? Do disorders of neural crest development prove that an intact spine is a ‘social construct’? Should all people who can thus walk normally by dint of their neuro-normative neurological and skeletal anatomy be made to feel the direct oppression they exert upon the population who have spina-bifida? Are they aware of the material reality of the oppression that such conditions impose upon the sufferer?

Would it be wrong to try and treat any of these conditions? Should not we recognise that it is the so-called ‘bio-normative’ population who should adopt the wheelchair and undergo procedures so that they might approximate the bio-fluid population, thus ‘reducing the profitability’ of capitalism and resisting the ‘double oppression of reproduction’?

This preposterous reductio ad absurdum (reduction to absurdity) seeks to illustrate the point, we hope, that while no-one among our ranks has advocated discrimination against the sufferers of any physical or psychological condition, no communist has denied their right to life, right to treatment, right to help; assistance to lead normal and useful, meaningful lives and play a role in society, it would be absurd to elevate these disorders of development into a general theory of ‘human fluidity’, or to assert that they had led to a higher form of understanding or being. They are disorders; illnesses. Disorders of sexual development are indeed exceptions that prove the rule: humanity is composed of men and women
Source

Strange, for someone who actually is doing the reading from a materialist position, that you are still supporting ruling class politics.

As for homosexual conversion therapy, that's actually gender ideology in a nutshell, since most who seek to transition - between 60% to 90% - turn out to be autistic gay/lesbians.

[ingliz]

@skinster

If you take my quote in context, it says exactly what I said it does.

If you look, you will see ...

"while no-one among our ranks has advocated discrimination against the sufferers of any physical or psychological condition, no communist has denied their right to life, right to treatment, right to help; assistance to lead normal and useful, meaningful lives and play a role in society, it would be absurd to elevate these disorders of development into a general theory of ‘human fluidity’, or to assert that they had led to a higher form of understanding or being. They are disorders; illnesses."

And that is calling for 'conversion therapy.'

Normal can only mean not trans.

Treatment can only mean conversion therapy.

[Pants-of-dog]

If you support a psychiatric approach to trans kids where you try and convince them to accept the body they are born with and the gender identity aligned with that body, then you support conversion therapy.

[skinster]

If you take my quote in context, it says exactly what I said it does.

No it doesn't, you liar.

If you support a psychiatric approach to trans kids where you try and convince them to accept the body they are born with and the gender identity aligned with that body, then you support conversion therapy.

I don't support a psychiatric approach but do support psychological treatment, since I don't trust SSRIs either since they too have many awful side-effects that we're only learning about in recent times, alongside the sterilising puberty blockers that can give people strokes and osteoporosis.

It is not supporting conversion therapy by teaching people they should be comfortable in their body since trying to mimic the opposite sex is....exactly that and nothing more. And it is a medical scam.

[ingliz]

@skinster

And what are you going to do if the nasty trans people tell you and your psychologists to go fuck yourselves?

Section them.

[skinster]

The level of emotion coming from you on this debate is quite curious. Maybe if you dilate your useless neovagina for longer than you currently do, it might hurt less.

[ingliz]

curious

If you call laughing, making the spontaneous sounds and movements of the face and body that are the instinctive expressions of lively amusement and sometimes also of derision, showing a level of emotion.

Then, yes. I am.

Your posts are hilarious.

The CPGB...

[Pants-of-dog]

If you support a psychological approach to trans kids where you try and convince them to accept the body they are born with and the gender identity aligned with that body, then you support conversion therapy.

They are now called “gender identity change efforts” are associated with all sorts of mental health problems.

Yes, they are legal in Desantis’s Florida.

[Deutschmania]

If you call laughing, making the spontaneous sounds and movements of the face and body that are the instinctive expressions of lively amusement and sometimes also of derision, showing a level of emotion.

Then, yes. I am.

Your posts are hilarious.

The CPGB...

Is the Communist Party of Great Britain Marxist-Leninist the group you are referring to , @ingliz ? Because if they are , I am of the opinion, based upon this personal account , that they seem to be a high control political cult. https://www.ebb-magazine.com/essays/inside-the-last-days-of-the-cpgb-ml , https://freedomofmind.com/beware-of-political-cult-groups-that-manipulate-and-control-members/ As someone who myself purports to be a Communist , I don't agree that all Communist parties are political cults per se. But I am aware that there is always a danger of dogmatism and sectarianism that must to guarded against.

[skinster]

You guys mad at CPGB-ML because they don't support idealism in the form of postmodern identity politics brought to you by the ruling class..is very

It's because they're actual communists with a materialist position on "transgenderism" rather than the liberal idealistic dogshit position that you radlibs are into and promote. And bwahaha at the Deutch sharing that same article of the crybaby who left the party because they wouldn't accept the liberal lies of gender politics in the party.

If you support a psychological approach to trans kids where you try and convince them to accept the body they are born with and the gender identity aligned with that body, then you support conversion therapy.

There is no such thing as gender identities for those of us who aren't in your cult. In reality, there are only males and females and their biology is immutable. Just as I don't believe those furries who pretend to be dogs or whatever, the same goes for men identifying as women and vice-versa...even though at least with the latter you don't get women demanding male spaces and sports and titles but again, they are born women and will die women no matter how they identify. They and you don't have any right to compel people into your delusions so why even bother.

[Godstud]

There is no such thing as gender identities for those of us who aren't in your cult. In reality, there are only males and females and their biology is immutable. Just as I don't believe those furries who pretend to be dogs or whatever, the same goes for men identifying as women and vice-versa...even though at least with the latter you don't get women demanding male spaces and sports and titles but again, they are born women and will die women no matter how they identify. They and you don't have any right to compel people into your delusions so why even bother.

QFT, and some people only buy into the ideology because they have no children, are bought and paid for, or simply activists who are professional victims. Most of the people who say they support this, only do so out of fear of being cancelled, harassed, or doxed.

There are two sexes/genders: Male and female/Man and woman. This is supported by hard science. Even the "science" you present says the same, but with 1,000 caveats and provisos.

Your cult of gender identity is based on lies and delusion. It seeks to pervert nature, biology and reality for the simple purposes of narcissism, hedonism and self-gratification. It's a cult of modern stupidity, designed to weaken Western society.

[annatar1914]

QFT, and some people only buy into the ideology because they have no children, are bought and paid for, or simply activists who are professional victims. Most of the people who say they support this, only do so out of fear of being cancelled, harassed, or doxed.

There are two sexes/genders: Male and female/Man and woman. This is supported by hard science. Even the "science" you present says the same, but with 1,000 caveats and provisos.

Your cult of gender identity is based on lies and delusion. It seeks to pervert nature, biology and reality for the simple purposes of narcissism, hedonism and self-gratification. It's a cult of modern stupidity, designed to weaken Western society.

@Godstud and @skinster :

The irony is that these fools (even if they are at their most optimistic assessment of success) would only enable the demographic conquest of their lands by people who would:

1. Kill them all, every last one

2. Ensure that everything they did would be forgotten except as a cautionary tale

[Pants-of-dog]

Stamping one’s proverbial foot and insisting that gender does not exist does not change the fact that GICE, the new name for conversion therapy, is harmful to kids.

Telling trans kids to be comfortable with their existing body and forcing a specific gender identity on them is harmful. The studies show this.

[Godstud]

Conversation therapy as an argument is nonsense. It is not happening, except on the side of the trans ideology.

The studies are bullshit. They just use it as an excuse to bring more people into their cult.

More people de-transition every day as the truth is reveals itself.