[ingliz]

It's because they're actual communists

[ingliz]

@Godstud

Simple maths...

Recent increases in the number of people seeking transgender medical treatment will lead to more people de-transitioning even if there is no percentage change in the number of people seeking to roll back the irreversible.

I think it was @skinster who posted a liability waiver from a clinic warning these stupid people that hormone therapy was only partially reversible and surgery was irreversible. That there was no going back to how they were and to think hard before they gave their consent to treatment.

[Godstud]

De-transitioning doesn't often happen immediately, so these are usually people who have transitioned a decade ago. That people who de-transition are attacked by your Cult, does not help with awareness, either. The math is incomplete because there are no studies being done on this, and the information is lacking, hence why many countries are walking back on transitioning.

That there was no going back to how they were and to think hard before they gave their consent to treatment.

That is why children should not be transitioned, or given hormone blockers. They cannot give full informed consent FOR THEMSELVES. It's a reason why children can't get tattoos. Why do you think a child can't get a tattoo but they should be able to get their penis or breasts mutilated?

It's obvious you care more about the gender identity cult's rhetoric, than anyone else. Selfishness is the hallmark of the narcissistic pedophile-supporting self-gratification Cult, after all.

[ingliz]

@Godstud

If you read my posts instead of blindly repeating shite, you will see that I don't believe children should be given puberty blockers, cross hormones, or surgery.

That said, I leave it to democratically elected lawmakers to decide who is a child and the age of medical consent.

They cannot give full informed consent FOR THEMSELVES.

They cannot.

In the US, all medical treatments offered to patients under 18 years of age require parental consent.

[ingliz]

@annatar1914

demographic conquest

With a fertility rate of 1.7, that's going to happen anyway. With dicks or without.

[annatar1914]

@annatar1914

demographic conquest

With a fertility rate of 1.7, that's going to happen anyway. With dicks or without.

@ingliz :

You're from Malta, no?

I'm surprised given the history of Malta that you would be " laughing" about what Maltese once fought so hard to prevent.

[Godstud]

@ingliz Delusional parents should not be able to have their children mutilated simply because they are more irresponsible than the children, and wish to push an ideology on uninformed minors. It's not therapy or care. It's abuse.

Democracy and government preventing that, is akin to preventing child abuse. When Trans people say laws against children transtioning are against human rights, it's a lie. I don't know why you argue for your Cult, when you SAY you agree with me. It's inconsistent, and dishonest.

[ingliz]

I'm surprised

I don't see why you should be.

I'm an old atheist, and with my passing (esse est percipi), my world will die soon enough anyway.

Why must I care what chocolate teapot rules after I am gone?

The Maltese will do what they've always done - stroke the new master's balls with one hand and rob him blind with the other - It's our way.

[ingliz]

@Godstud

I argue that those in law who are judged of an age to give consent can give consent. It's the same argument @skinster uses when it suits her.

[annatar1914]

I don't see why you should be.

I'm an old atheist, and with my passing (esse est percipi), my world will die soon enough anyway.

Why must I care what chocolate teapot rules after I am gone?

The Maltese will do what they've always done - stroke the new master's balls with one hand and rob him blind with the other - It's our way.

@ingliz :

In the West, I've seen a whole generation of people who have nothing to live for except their personal appetites, scratching whatever itch onanistically until their nihilistic lives end. I'm sure their ancestors would be horrified at this shameful development, since these grasshoppers are living off the capital of what generations of ants built. It's all so unbearably sad. And fits perfectly with the real tragedy behind this thread

[ingliz]

@annatar1914

demographic conquest

We've seen it all before...

It has been argued that the islands were occupied by Muslims early in the 9th and possibly in the 8th century, but what is not in dispute is that we were under Muslim rule from 870-1090.

Even when the Christians were nominally in charge, the Normans allowed an emir to remain in power with the understanding that he would pay an annual tribute to them in mules, horses, and munitions. As a result of this favourable environment, Muslims continued to demographically and economically dominate Malta for at least another 150 years after the Christian conquest. In 1175, Burchard, bishop of Strasbourg, an envoy of Frederick I, Holy Roman Emperor, had the impression, based upon his brief visit to Malta, that it was exclusively or mainly inhabited by Muslims.

According to a census in 1240 or 1241 by Gililberto Abbate, who was the royal governor of Frederick II of Sicily during the Genoese Period of the County of Malta, in that year the islands of Malta and Gozo had 836 Muslim families, 250 Christian families, and 33 Jewish families.

It wasn't until the end of the 15th century that Maltese Muslims were forced to convert to Christianity and had to find ways to disguise their previous identities.

[skinster]

Stamping one’s proverbial foot and insisting that gender does not exist

Nobody is stamping any feet, just plainly saying that gender identities are silly. I have as much belief in them as I do in Jesus and his virgin birth. These are religious beliefs. Gender, in my mind, does not exist. If you want to use it as another word for 'sex', feel free. To me 'sex' suffices to explain humans and whether they are either male or female.

Seems really fucking weird I have to keep saying this but I guess I am dealing with a cult.

is harmful to kids.

Stop pretending to care for kids when you consistently ignore the dangers of puberty blockers, wrong-sex hormones, unnecessary mastectomies and genital mutilation. It really doesn't suit you.

Telling trans kids to be comfortable with their existing body and forcing a specific gender identity on them is harmful. The studies show this.

No they haven't. More of those in this recent peer-reviewed study reported deterioration in mental health after puberty blockers rather than improvement.

And telling kids to be comfortable as they are is good, actually. Affirming the lie that they are born in the wrong body is cruel and psychotic.

More people de-transition every day as the truth is reveals itself.

Indeed. Soon enough, their numbers will be greater than those seeking transition. Check out this documentary on the subject that came out in the last week which explains why.

[ingliz]

@skinster

I am dealing with a cult.

So are we, it seems, the CPGB-ML.

[skinster]

Nah, CPGB-ML calls out the cult borne out of ruling class ideas, that thinks people can identify as the opposite sex if they feel it hard enough. Imagine falling for that.

[ingliz]

Imagine falling for that

It appears you have, as nobody else here is arguing that.

[Pants-of-dog]

recent peer-reviewed study

That is a news article. Not a study.

Note that the article mentions the lack of a control group and therefore the inability to make causative claims from this study.

This means that we cannot say what caused the problems or what caused the kids to get better. This is also explained in the article.

So, as the article says, it would be illogical to use this to say anything about puberty blockers.

Also, the article mentions the study is not peer reviewed.

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Desantis is losing millions of dollars with all these anti-woke laws.

The trans law, that some in here agree with Nazis that it is good, has already been thrown out by a court, and Desantis lost about $750 000 defending it.

More interesting is the fact that he is paying his lawyers before he passes the law. This means that he knows the laws are illegal and will not ever come to be. They are, instead, theatre for the culture wars.

[skinster]

That is a news article. Not a study.

The article includes the original study and a re-analysis of it.

[Pants-of-dog]

I feel like I need to explain what a “control group” is.

Apparently, knowing what it is and what it is useful for is beyond the transphobes.

[Rancid]

I think we should start requiring (him/he), (she/her) next to our names on pofo.

On a more serious note, they do that on the access badges when I go to conferences and such. It's optional of course. I choose not to do that. In a world where privacy is protected less and less, I refuse to broadcast my pronouns.

[Deutschmania]

I think we should start requiring (him/he), (she/her) next to our names on pofo.

On a more serious note, they do that on the access badges when I go to conferences and such. It's optional of course. I choose not to do that. In a world where privacy is protected less and less, I refuse to broadcast my pronouns.

If I were to list my preferred pronouns next to my username , they would be ( they/them) , not only because I am agender , but also because why not use the majestic plural , if given the chance. But , in all seriousness , I don't really care what pronouns a person uses to refer to me. I would find it to be a little bit weird if anyone were to use ( she/her) to refer to me though, as I presently present as male , complete with a beard , but I still wouldn't take exception to it.