Godstud wrote:I'm glad you support Palestinian terrorism which is completely legal.
When Hamas launched rockets and their attacks they killed anyone and everyone, including foreigners, and kidnapped people, that was OK? If it's only a few serial killers, then maybe the Palestinians should turn them in to the Israelis to face justice. Nope. They made the serial killers their government.
Support for Palestine is the new virtue signaling craze.
No Godstud, your accusations of what I mean are not valid at all. I do not endorse wanton killing and any killing at all as valid. It is wrong to kill. It is wrong to oppress. It is wrong to murder people. It is wrong and immoral to displace people and hurt and harm them and discriminate against them.
Why is the narrative always if you defend anything regarding Arab Palestinians you are automatically and anti-semite and anti-Jewish. That is not true. What I am against is the response from the Netanyahu government. It is not proportional, sober or even humane. It is about wiping out an entire ethnic group because Hamas became their government? The US government kills people who are their own citizens (in Puerto Rico by bombing Vieques and giving people there cancer that is terminal due to depleted Uranium, should my and other Puerto Ricans response be to plant bombs in Washington DC and kill innocent civilians by the busload because they bombed out my mother or some other Puerto Ricans in Vieques?), the government of the USA has killed a lot of Native Americans too, should the Tribes response be to bomb out a bunch of American civvies in their nearest cities? The last freak who killed children and civvies in the USA in a bomb out planted by him because he was angry at the US government was Timothy McVeigh in 1995 and he was a DOMESTIC Right Wing terrorist. Did the US government kill thousands of American civilians on their way to capturing McVeigh? No, they did not do it that way. They bided their time till they had good intelligence and then busted a move on a lucky stop at a traffic signal stop.
There is the intelligent way of coping with terrorism and then there is really a justification for killing innocent people that have nothing to do with the beefs one has with a government that is UNJUST.
Terrorist organizations do not represent the entire or whole of a people. They rarely do. Not even in Afghanistan was Al Quada representing all Afghanis. Neither was the Taliban. They were actually organizations (the Mujahadeen funded by the US government in order to undermine the ex Russian or Soviet union). They did not care (the US government) that those people were religious extremists and violence as a means to gain power thinkers. THey only cared about undermining their political enemies.
You need to treat all people with universal human rights. ALL PEOPLE. That includes people and organizations you disagree with. Now if you think violence is unavoidable and you have to engage in it? Have some ground rules. You do not kill thousands of civvies to catch a Timothy McVeigh or a Terry Nichols. You do a thorough intelligence assessment and then you strategize to catch them but you keep the civilian people as safe as you can.
You have to work very hard and intelligently. Indiscriminate killing of children, cutting off power and letting babies who are preemies die because too bad, they are in a hospital with some Hamas supposed people hiding is the action of cowards and immoral governments.
I have never endorsed in my entire life killing of innocents. That would be like endorsing that it is ok to kill protesters and bystanders and people who just want to live in peace. What kind of fucking justification that is for a person endorsing universal human rights? When have I ever endorsed violating people's civil rights or universal human rights?
Godstud, war is a very dirty business. It is indiscriminate and ugly. But how many wars has the USA government been active in or has provided funds for in the last one hundred years? MANY is the answer. That is not a peaceful nation. It is a nation that wants to control the world. You can't control the world. You have to know how to negotiate and reach humane and decent agreements with people who have fundamentally differing philosophies of life. If you can't do that? You will guarantee war. In a nuclear age? That means risking your children's lives. Your son and my son. What kind of shitty world do we want to leave for those innocents?
Think about that.
BTW, Henry Ford was a raging and well-documented Anti-Semite. Any American citizen who drives a Ford is endorsing Anti-Semitism. That is the logic you are throwing at me.
It is foolish.
The laws regarding Israeli citizens vs Palestinians is not equal. Have you read the laws they have for Palestinians vs Israelis? It is not equal. Why? because they are not to be trusted. They are all terrorists. No people agree 100% on ANYTHING. If you have diversity which is innate in almost all human societies you will have people who disagree. Do you justify calling them all the same? If you do? You are an extremist. And the kind of person that JohnRawls is accusing of impeding a peace process.
Racists do that a lot. All of Jews are this. All of the Arabs are that. All of the Blacks are this. All of the Mexicans are that. All of the Chinese are this. Etc. Once they start on that shit? It is downhill from there.