wat0n wrote:Oh yes, Israel would need to put up with a couple of generations of massacres like that of October 7, wouldn't it? Maybe until there are no Jews, that would totally "integrate" everyone.
I won't respond to strawmen arguments. I am not in favor of the genocide of the Jewish people - multiethnic states can exist without genocide.
wat0n wrote:Oh yes, Israel would need to put up with a couple of generations of massacres like that of October 7
The October 7th massacre was preventable. If you mean 'putting up with a generation or two' of occassional violence without immediately resorting to bombing Gaza into the stone age (ideally by working with local authorities on counter-terrorism police operations), then yes, Israel probably will have too. The US can accept its plague of mass shootings without bombing the suburbs that birth them. You can't respond to every terrorist attack by waging war on a people group without raising new generations of extremists.
wat0n wrote:Also, how's that "secular multi-ethnic democracy" idea working out in Xinjiang? Does Xinjiang enjoy a "permanent peace"?
I presumed we were speaking about continuing the democracy that exists in Israel - I would like to, nonetheless.
In Xinjiang, Islamism is combatted through education and economic integration (hence I oppose blanket boycotts on Xinjiang made goods by the West, as it only contributes to extremism). Uyghers live and work in all of China's provinces, and China has invested billions in expanding educational and employment opportunities in rural areas to eliminate the fertile ground of despondism that feeds extremist movements. The heavy handed police presence of the mid 2010s is receding, even if it isn't totally gone, and Uyghers are Chinese citizens like any other resident of China. If Israel wants to exist next to a peaceful Palestine, the permanent militarization of the border, restrictions on the free movement of Palestinean workers and residents at least to and from Gaza to the West Bank, and the blockade at air and sea that prevent free international commerce in Gaza all need to go.
wat0n wrote:The most direct path to permanent peace is to topple Hamas and then use this window to send an international peacekeeping force to Gaza that effectively keeps peace there.
Sure, and I support an international force doing so because I do not trust Israel to do it right. Nonetheless, Israel would still need to do what I described above or the marginalization of the Palestinean people will continue even under an international government, and new extremists would continue to be Gaza's only notable export.