I also felt that I am someone who has a lot of proximity to conservative Christians that support Israel, and I just needed to be there trying to talk these people in particular... and that was a burden. I have learned to be pro-Palestine, without any equivocation on that, and I think that there are complex machinations in the Western world to convince us to go against the values to support a colonial state by preying on extremely pessimistic views of humanity and reality about how conflict is inevitable, and more cruelly, viewing Muslims in specific and Middle Easterners in general as just a few steps above animals - people who need to be managed.
I just have been reflecting a lot on that and been tied up with other debates.
I've actually since left a group that took up a lot of my time over how terrible the situation was.
annatar1914 wrote:@Potemkin , @Godstud , @Verv , @Political Interest :
Now that I've focused in on the " spell" so to speak, it seems obvious if only to me how Rene Decartes and his reign over Modernity-the spell- can or is being broken is by encountering his fear of a particular " Monster": his " evil demon" who could just possibly be messing with Decartes (and everyone else's) perception that the only being we can be sure exists is us, that matter is real and supra substantial, self subsistant, and that we are a combination of a localized but disembodied mind that only thinks, combined somehow with a material machine body that only moves and works because of that thinking.
In short, that it's possible to Decartes and thus modern western man, that an all powerful " evil demon" could be entirely controlling our awareness and perception of reality. A real Terror perhaps symbolized by in lampoon by Lovecraft and his horrific " Old Ones".
Because George Berkeley comes around and basically says ( to the horror and incomprehensible fear of modern Western man) that God Is Decartes " Evil Demon" Who is doing precisely that "deception" :
Surely Decartes was really an Atheist and an Materialist.
Now, Berkeley says much more than what I've mentioned, in essence , but still the basic aim of his is to show our radical contingency as God's creatures.
Cartesian" rational" perception starting from a solipsistic surety of our own existence because we think, cannot be a real basis for understanding reality, from self outwards atowards the cosmos.
It's not that God is " messing with us", we really can and should trust our senses for the most part, but because of sin we fall into the Cartesian Revolution error and instead enshrine our personal God, who William Blake called " Urizen": "your Reason. " We reason ourselves into every error in existence, and especially about consciousness and the nature of the material universe.
This spell empowers all the others in the West. In the East, not so much. It is broken by following it's opposite.
I think that the reason they believe this might be an actual psychological disorder - an inclination toward depression or such cynical & pessimistic rationalism that they think maybe this is all from the devil.
Yet, I know people who grew up in much worse circumstances than me who see life as a miracle, regardless. Indeed, even many atheists have a generally positive view of life (though I would argue that a lot of them do get pessimistic)...
Coming home each night to a beautiful little daughter who has unconditional love for me and joy when I return really shows that life is the best!
... How would a demon be an architect of this reality?
You would have to come up with a strange set of circumstances to say that the character of the universe's architect is fundamentally evil... Because I am aware that there are men and women living on the edge of death in extreme poverty that know the joys of having beautiful, beautiful children.
Walking for hours each day to get water and food and sleeping with a half-full stomach and doing it again, each day, but with a child, in whom you have great hope and from which you receive much joy, is a very pleasant thing simply because of the child. Life can never be a mistake. It's an affiramtion of the goodness of the universe - and in each child you can see the unfettered joy and pure spirit of God manifested.
But yes, it is possible to forget about this, or ignore it, when you have clinical depression. And that's OK. Depressed people offer to us a perspective worth consideration and are loved by God.
August 8th, 2019