wat0n wrote:You do have access to all of those in Chile.
For instance, water:
I said "socialists", not that they were democratically elected.
Cuba: 7,944 killed by the Cuban government since the Revolution
Venezuela: At least 12,000 since 1999, others claim 19,000 only in 2016-2019.
Nicaragua: Up to 568 killed in the 2018 protests
Etc, etc. And unlike the right-wing dictatorships, these guys are currently in power - they're not history (for now).
@wat0n sometimes I really think you do not either listen to videos I post at all, or you do not read the information I supply you. If you did? You would not be writing these things unless your entire tactic of rebuttals is lying your ass off.
If you are lying your ass off? Why should I spend time refuting you? I will not get a productive debate on a subject, instead I will be sucked in to a whirlpool of false distortions that have no end. Sort of like Trump repeating the birther accusations of Obama not being born in the USA and to produce the birth certificate. Lol.
Did you see that first video fully? I posted it because they explain succinctly the problems with socialism that might crop up. They explain the down side of each political and economic philosophy between full Capitalism and full Communism.
The big issue with socialism that can go wrong in the wrong practice of it is corruption. Nicolas Maduro is a fine example of what happens when you have corruption by a declared socialist government. I have never liked Maduro's government. If you look up my stance on Maduro I basically said he was an incompetent and he allowed corruption to run rampant and had very weak economic policies.
Who criticized him a lot? Another socialist and very Leftist and effective ex president of South American nation. The ex prez of Uruguay José Mujica. Here is Jose Mujica on Maduro:
Maduro is not knowledge based and pragmatic like Mujica is.
There are a great variety of types of socialism. The most effective are the ones who follow incredibly well done planning and letting the society be organized with human practices but also practicalities.
You need to recognize failures and work on that hard. But the issue is about interferences from governments interested in controlling them and profiting from misery. It is not going to help the issues in the nations of the world that is far wealthier. Because in the end the immigration issue is about instability and poverty and crime and a lack of opportunities for the young working adults coming into their employment years.
You got to be balanced. That is why you need sober, balanced people like Mujica and many others on the LEFT who do not believe in bling, and exaggerated shit.
I have never been an authoritarian socialist. I am always on the side of letting people choose and have choices. In the end people will through a lot of experience find what works best for their own societies. Authoritarianism if it has to be imposed with threats from a barrel of a gun is not different from a capitalist system threatening with violence and so on to keep or retain power because they FEAR not being able to COERCE their populations.
Well educated people, working on pragmatic solutions together and being fully democratic in nature is the best policy always with a socialist platform. Now, the capitalists are far narrower in philosophy Wat0n.
Everything dealing with human relationships in a capitalist divided old and failed calcified and not dynamic society is what the European working masses fled long ago...Kings, Queens, etc. Socialism is about PROGRESSING out of these old systems that suck. Capitalism has to be about classes being divided into owners and non owners, and ruling class versus working class. It becomes like this John Cleese sketch.
Is that what you want forever and ever AMEN? I do not!!!
George Orwell visited a society in Cataluña that was set up where it was a truly democratic setup with working-class people as he called it in the SADDLE for the first time. It was very very successful.
But no one lives in an island Wat0n. We all have to deal with the systems we live under currently. We all have to start dealing with improving those societies and changing when it does not work.
That is being down-to-earth, solution-focused focused, and dedicated. Do not become corrupt. Be service oriented, and about giving a lot and serving society. Not yourself.
If you continue to lie I really have to ignore you again Wat0n. I have work to do that pays me. I got bills to pay. That is reality and the reality check all working people have to face in capitalism. Lol.