[QatzelOk]

...What do you think the chances are that people are being fired for supporting Palestine?

100 %

That's why this thread is so boring. It natters on about unrelated matters because Western schmoes aren't allowed to discuss politics unless they play the role of children waiting for Santa Claus.

[wat0n]

We could also discuss the cases of people being fired for criticizing Hamas and those who support the October 7th massacre.

Here's one example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/nyre ... iring.html

But people like @Pants-of-dog or @QatzelOk want us to believe these things don't happen.

[QatzelOk]

We could also discuss the cases of people being fired for criticizing Hamas and those who support the October 7th massacre...

Your AI program has a very limited vocabulary, wat0n.

Lying often involves limiting your range of words, but it makes for boring and repetitive posts. You think you're winning, but you're just killing everyone with ennuie.

[wat0n]

Weird, so @QatzelOk is now mocking people who speak English as a second language?

It would be far, far better if you could actually address the example.

[Pants-of-dog]

We could also discuss the cases of people being fired for criticizing Hamas and those who support the October 7th massacre.

Here's one example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/nyre ... iring.html

But people like @Pants-of-dog or @QatzelOk want us to believe these things don't happen.

The article is behind a subscription wall.

If you want this whataboutism to be addressed, please quote the relevant text.

[wat0n]

@Pants-of-dog sure

Israel-Hamas Posts Cost 2 Doctors Their Jobs. Then Their Fates Diverged.

Both doctors worked for NYU Langone in New York. In a legal filing on Thursday, one doctor said the decision not to rehire him was unfair after his colleague appeared to get his job back.

Joseph Goldstein
By Joseph Goldstein
Feb. 1, 2024

Late last year, a major New York hospital system removed two doctors from their jobs for their social media postings about Israel and Hamas.

One doctor, a prominent cancer researcher in his 60s, was outspoken in defense of Israel and had posted a variety of anti-Hamas political cartoons, including some with offensive caricatures of Arab people. The other, a young doctor-trainee at the start of his career, was accused of posting a message on Instagram that defended the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on Israel.

The actions of the hospital against the two doctors — each one supporting an opposite side of the conflict — drew the hospital system, NYU Langone Health, into the national debate over the legality and propriety of firing people for their online postings. Dozens of people across the country have been fired for online posts about the Israel-Hamas war.

In the three months since the doctors were removed from their jobs, however, their fates have diverged.

The cancer researcher, Dr. Benjamin Neel, is now embroiled in an increasingly bitter lawsuit with N.Y.U. and NYU Langone, rife with allegations of retaliation, hypocrisy and academic misconduct. He is still a tenured professor at N.Y.U.’s medical school, where he earns a salary of $585,000. But following his online posts, he was fired from his job as the director of N.Y.U.’s cancer center, which came with an additional salary of $1,037,700, according to the Nov. 10 termination letter.

The younger doctor, Dr. Zaki Masoud, appears to have returned to work at the same hospital on Long Island as before, according to Dr. Neel’s legal papers. An online petition to reinstate him had received nearly 100,000 signatures as of Thursday.

Dr. Masoud could not be reached for comment, and a spokesman for the Long Island hospital declined to state whether or not he had returned to work. NYU Langone did not respond to questions about Dr. Neel’s claims.

But in a legal filing last week, N.Y.U.’s medical school said Dr. Neel had “exercised extremely poor judgment by insidiously sharing racially and ethnically offensive posts on social media without regard for the potential impact on others.”

Dr. Neel’s lawsuit poses an interesting legal question. Despite the ubiquity of social media, it remains unclear whether New York law protects workers from being fired for social media postings outside of work hours. A few states have explicitly restricted employers from firing workers because of their opinions or speech. In New York, state law prohibits employers from firing employees for “legal recreational activities,” including but not limited to sports, hobbies and watching movies.

But does that protection apply to online posts with controversial speech? Legal experts say it’s an open question.

In a legal filing responding to Dr. Neel’s lawsuit, lawyers for N.Y.U. claim that “the act of posting, reposting, or commenting on social media posts” does not fit the definition of a “recreational activity.” Besides, Dr. Neel wasn’t fired “for the act of posting on social media, but rather, for the content of his posts,” the N.Y.U. lawyers, Amy Traub and Justin Guilfoyle, wrote in the filing.

Dr. Neel reposted political cartoons that included offensive depictions of Arabs and questioned whether negotiating a two-state solution was possible with Hamas. Dr. Masoud was accused of posting a message on Instagram that defended the Hamas attack as “liberation” and “decolonization.”

Dr. Neel, in his lawsuit, claims that his online posts qualify as a “recreational activity” and that his support for Israel is a component of his Jewish identity, making the decision to fire him religious discrimination. Dr. Neel has maintained in legal papers that his views “with respect to Israel and Palestine are nuanced.”

A petition arguing for the reinstatement of Dr. Masoud, which has 98,000 signatories, said his removal was “alarming and appears to be rooted in discriminatory practices.” The petition said that it was “essential to recognize that expressing solidarity with Palestine does not signify any form of hatred towards the Jewish community and does not equate to anti-Semitism.” The petition, Dr. Neel claims in his legal papers, was why Dr. Masoud was “reinstated surreptitiously” to his job as a resident physician.

In a new legal filing on Thursday, Dr. Neel accused NYU Langone and the medical school of an “unlawful retaliatory campaign against him.” The court filing said N.Y.U. undermined his laboratory by withholding $500,000 in funding.

Dr. Neel also claims that N.Y.U. retaliated by initiating an inquiry into whether he committed academic misconduct. The inquiry pertains to allegations of falsified or fabricated data in a 2019 research paper about ovarian cancer that Dr. Neel coauthored. The study involved tumors in mice. Concerns about the data first emerged in early 2023.

Dr. Neel, in legal papers, said that a colleague had conducted the research and prepared the data, and his role was supervisory. He claims that N.Y.U. escalated the matter into a formal misconduct inquiry only after his social media postings.

Joseph Goldstein covers health care in New York for The Times, following years of criminal justice and police reporting. More about Joseph Goldstein

A version of this article appears in print on Feb. 3, 2024, Section A, Page 17 of the New York edition with the headline: Fates of Doctors Diverge After Israel-Hamas Posts. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

[QatzelOk]

Weird, so @QatzelOk is now mocking people who speak English as a second language?

No, I am mocking people (like you in this thread) who use propaganda as a primary tactic.

It limits the available vocabulary to talking points, and the extremely-limited vocabulary is boring and repetitive.

Also, "why didn't you address my point? Why did you not acknowledge my source? Why are you ignoring the studies I posted?" is very boring, and a symptom that 'discussion' has been replaced by 'dueling propaganda points.'

[wat0n]

No, I am mocking people (like you in this thread) who use propaganda as a primary tactic.

It limits the available vocabulary to talking points, and the extremely-limited vocabulary is boring and repetitive.

Also, "why didn't you address my point? Why did you not acknowledge my source? Why are you ignoring the studies I posted?" is very boring, and a symptom that 'discussion' has been replaced by 'dueling propaganda points.'

"Why don't you acknowledge facts?" is a completely valid question.

What is boring is your whining, using the same idiotic talking points every time. They will usually run along the lines of "the banksters did it" or "the media is lying to you" to explain each and every bad thing that happens in the world. I am pretty sure you recycle them every time, without ever adding anything intelligent or factual to the topic.

[QatzelOk]

"Why don't you acknowledge facts?" is a completely valid question...

Ok. Let's acknowledge some facts.

Your very long quote above ... is from the New York Times. Fact.

The Crisis at the New York Times
From Israeli Propaganda to Page One

We come to U.S. media — mainstream media, corporate media, legacy media. However you wish to name them, they have gambled and lost, too. Their coverage of the Gaza crisis has been so egregiously and incautiously unbalanced in Israel’s behalf that we might count their derelictions as unprecedented. When the surveys are conducted and the returns are in, their unscrupulous distortions, their countless omissions, and—the worst offense, in my view—their dehumanization of the Palestinians of Gaza will have further damaged their already collapsing credibility.

We come, finally, to The New York Times. No medium in America has had further to fall in consequence of its reporting on Israel and Gaza since last October. And the once-but-no-longer newspaper of record, fairly suffocating amid its well-known hubris, falls as we speak. It has erupted, by numerous accounts including implicitly its own, in an internal uproar over reportage from Israel and Gaza so shabby—so transparently negligent—that it, like Israel, may never fully restore its reputation.

Max Blumenthal, editor-in-chief of The Grayzone, described the crisis on Eighth Avenue better than anyone in the Jan. 30 segment of The Hill’s daily webcast, Rising. “We’re looking at one of the biggest media scandals of our time,” he told Briahna Joy Gray and Robby Soave. Indeed. This well captures the gravity of The Times’s willful corruptions in its profligate use of Israeli propaganda, and Blumenthal deserves the microphone to say so. Since late last year The Grayzone has exhaustively investigated The Times’s “investigations” of Hamas’s supposed savagery and Israel’s supposed innocence...

The New York Times has been regurgitating Israeli propaganda as if it has no reporters or journalists at all.

Here is an article that looks at the state of capitalist media in our declining empire.

Corporate Media's Push for U.S. War in Yemen

Imagine having an information source that gets funding from military-related industries. It means total war all the time, in much the same way that Big Pharma funding means non-stop disease propaganda.

[wat0n]

Again, the same stupid and rehashed talking points @QatzelOk

But tell me, is this what pro-Israel media publishes?