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#15305176
South Americans will be fine once they get socialism/ communism out of their heads. They immigrate the US and Canada but they still ask for socialism there. It is hilarious but things do not change in a day. It will take generations to overcome socialism and socialistic enviroment they grew up.

The Declaration of Independence did not fall out of sky. The American colonies and founding fathers tried everything and they decided libertarianism is the best ideology to make a nation. Libertarian founding values of America lead to establishment of the greatestes country we know today.
#15305178
Tainari88 wrote:Hey folks debating in here. Do you really think Trump is going to win the White House?

I think the man is going to be crying over having to put millions in an account while the appeals happen for his Trump properties. He is going to ask for money in order to keep going. So far the RNC is going to have to create an account to bail his ass out of legal fees.

I say all you Trump backers are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and buy these gaudy Gold Sneakers to help the cause of Trump getting to the White House?

@Rancid put on the gold sneakers my main man.

Now you can identify future insurrectionists by the sneakers they are walking around in. :lol: :lol:



Spend that money on that gaudy crap. Help the cause of white is right!! :lol:


I doubt they will sell well with Trump supporters. I notice they have laces, not velcro.
#15305180
Istanbuller wrote:South Americans will be fine once they get socialism/ communism out of their heads. They immigrate the US and Canada but they still ask for socialism there. It is hilarious but things do not change in a day. It will take generations to overcome socialism and socialistic enviroment they grew up.

The Declaration of Independence did not fall out of sky. The American colonies and founding fathers tried everything and they decided libertarianism is the best ideology to make a nation. Libertarian founding values of America lead to establishment of the greatestes country we know today.


I'm South American and I'm not asking for socialism or welfare here.
#15305182
wat0n wrote:I'm South American and I'm not asking for socialism or welfare here.


I'm British and Canadian, and I like the fact that I don't have to pay for my next doctor's visit in either country.

I also like the fact that, if I fall on hard times, either country will see I'm looked after until I recover.

I can also own a business, and buy shares in someone else's business, again in either country.
#15305183
Tainari88 wrote:Think about it @Pewty he is now peddling cologne or perfume or something. You can smell like Trump. LOL


Or I could just up my workouts and not bother bathing, and save my money.
#15305186
Pewty wrote:I'm British and Canadian, and I like the fact that I don't have to pay for my next doctor's visit in either country.

I also like the fact that, if I fall on hard times, either country will see I'm looked after until I recover.

I can also own a business, and buy shares in someone else's business, again in either country.


I'd very much rather pay insurance to protect against those things instead of waiting for far, far longer than I should (the US is still slow, by the way, but not this slow) or thinking about euthanasia as a legit option. Nothing's perfect, it seems.
#15305188
wat0n wrote:I'd very much rather pay insurance to protect against those things instead of waiting for far, far longer than I should (the US is still slow, by the way, but not this slow) or thinking about euthanasia as a legit option. Nothing's perfect, it seems.


I hope MAID is. I plan on using it someday, when I get bored.
#15305192
Literally thousands of people die each year in the USA because of a lack of access to medical care because of the costs of insurance.

It seems inhumane to say this is preferable than slightly longer wait times for elective medical treatments.
#15305194
Many people also die waiting for accessing care non-urgent care in countries like the UK or Canada. It's not obvious this is the best system to follow either.

The US system is hardly great either, but the best option would be to copy the German, Swiss or Dutch systems.

Either way, even the UK and Canada are not "socialist".
#15305196
wat0n wrote:Many people also die waiting for accessing care non-urgent care in countries like the UK or Canada. It's not obvious this is the best system to follow either.
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Provide evidence for this claim.
#15305200
@Pants-of-dog

The Guardian wrote:More than 120,000 people in England died last year while on the NHS waiting list for hospital treatment, figures obtained by Labour appear to show.

That would be a record high number of such deaths, and is double the 60,000 patients who died in 2017/18.
#15305202
So they did not die because they could not access care.

They simply died while on a waiting list.

This is therefore a comparison of two different things.

The first is a measure of the ineffectiveness of a medical treamtnet disbursement system, while the second is a measure of the number of old people who need elective care at the end of their lives.
#15305205
If we go by those silly distinctions, even in the US you can access life-saving care without insurance and, yes, hospitals must treat you.

If you want to argue we should only count those who die because of not being able to access care in time, we should apply it to both systems.
#15305210
wat0n wrote:If you want to argue we should only count those who die because of not being able to access care in time, we should apply it to both systems.


Yes, exactly.

That is what I just said.
#15305218
Pewty wrote:I'm British and Canadian, and I like the fact that I don't have to pay for my next doctor's visit in either country.

You pay for it via taxes. Government makes you paying taxes so overall well being of society decrease because of being forced to pay for everyone else's doctor visits and medical care.

Healthcare is a serrvice which you have to pay for it. It doesn't matter if government subdies it or not. You pay for it somehow. But free markets and technological innovation makes it affordable for you.
#15305220
A study from Harvard in 2009 found that 45 000 US residents die each year because insurance costs too much.

To defend this seems like justifying thousands of needless deaths for the sake of capitalism.
#15305221
Pants-of-dog wrote:A study from Harvard in 2009 found that 45 000 US residents die each year because insurance costs too much.

To defend this seems like justifying thousands of needless deaths for the sake of capitalism.


1) Cite it properly

2) Provide an updated source, this is before Obamacare and Medicaid expansion in several states after all

3) Add the corresponding comparison to the NHS, i.e. estimates of people who die for not being able to secure non-urgent care because of being put in a waitlist
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