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If the sole piece of evidence for Hamas’s presence in the refugee camp during the targeted killing of women and children is a set of inferences based on a set of assumptions from a poor translation, then it is difficult to argue that Hamas was there and visible and attacking the IDF from behind the now dead women and children.
#15305599
Theres an indepth study of why the west cannot outproduce or, in fact, produce as many weapons as Russia. The New Atlas comments on it:



Spoiler Alert: Its because the western military production is privately owned. They are not in the business of winning wars, they are in the business of making as much profit as possible.

The study itself though never actually says so, they just list the effects that a privately owned military production causes.

This is just the study itself, without the summary and comment by The New Atlas:

https://www.businessdefense.gov/NDIS.html
#15305600
wat0n wrote:Israel is a Bad Guy

Israel is an apartheid state and it will kill Palestinian civilians to maintain its system of oppression.

In international criminal law, specific unlawful acts that are committed within a system of oppression and domination, with the intention of maintaining it, constitute the crime against humanity of apartheid. These acts are set out in the Apartheid Convention and the Rome Statute and include unlawful killing, torture, forcible transfer, and the denial of basic rights and freedoms.

These acts proscribed in the Apartheid Convention and Rome Statute have been documented in all areas Israel controls.
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ingliz wrote:Israel is an apartheid state and it will kill Palestinian civilians to maintain its system of oppression.

In international criminal law, specific unlawful acts that are committed within a system of oppression and domination, with the intention of maintaining it, constitute the crime against humanity of apartheid. These acts are set out in the Apartheid Convention and the Rome Statute and include unlawful killing, torture, forcible transfer, and the denial of basic rights and freedoms.

These acts proscribed in the Apartheid Convention and Rome Statute have been documented in all areas Israel controls.


Oh yes, now with the Apartheid nonsense.

Is this your justification for mass rape?
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Negotiator wrote:Theres an indepth study of why the west cannot outproduce or, in fact, produce as many weapons as Russia. The New Atlas comments on it:



Spoiler Alert: Its because the western military production is privately owned. They are not in the business of winning wars, they are in the business of making as much profit as possible.

The study itself though never actually says so, they just list the effects that a privately owned military production causes.

This is just the study itself, without the summary and comment by The New Atlas:

https://www.businessdefense.gov/NDIS.html


This is very interesting for sure.

I find this eye opening because it means that a for profit model does not work for all goals. I wish the neoliberal backers would realize this and make a shift in thinking. Having one model fit every social and economic goal in a government structure is not feasible or pragmatic or practical in the least. Yet they insist on it like a paranoid delusional person who is addicted to only one way of doing things or else.

Variation is good for life. Not conformity with only one way or one gene or one monolithic thing. That never works in nature.
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@wat0n

Nobody on our side of the argument has tried to justify rape. Even when sexual violence in war or by occupying forces is common and there are many well recognized psychosocial reasons why this happens.

One can't help noticing, though, that the only person here who has attempted to play down rape and sexual assault is you. When I pointed out the documented cases of IDF members, Israeli police, and prison guards sexually assaulting and humiliating Palestinian women, you said who cares it's not systematic and brushed it off.
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ingliz wrote:@wat0n

Nobody on our side of the argument has tried to justify rape. Even when sexual violence in war or by occupying forces is common and there are many well recognized psychosocial reasons why this happens.


Yes, you are justifying rape as a form of resistance, just as everything else Hamas did on October 7.

The discourse so far has been "anyone would do it".

ingliz wrote:One can't help noticing, though, that the only person here who has attempted to play down rape or sexual assault is you. When I pointed out the documented cases of IDF members, Israeli police, and prison guards sexually assaulting and humiliating Palestinian women, you said who cares it's not systematic.


I said it's not mass rape, not that it doesn't matter. Rapists should always be punished no matter who they are, however, you can't claim it's a systematic issue based on 4 cases over several years. Hamas seems to have raped a lot more women on October 7 alone, as documented by forensic analysis, first responder testimony and also by some witnesses.

So on top of justifying mass rape, torture and murder, you are also lying - as you have been shown to do in the past.

Oh, and in case you try to lie about my comments:

wat0n wrote:I don't think this is the evidence of mass rape you think it is, and the paper does not cite statistics. Even taking its examples at face value - and there's no reason one should, given the paper counts supermarket bomber Rasmea Odeh as a rape victim - the few cases show those are isolated incidents and not massive.
#15305661
Having military bases and storing weapons in an area is, in fact, a form of establishing presence there.

Furthermore, if one stores ammo somewhere it's because you have access to that area and expect to be able to pick it up as needed.

It is also not a personal attack to call out those who justify the October 7 massacre, including the mass rapes there, like you do @Pants-of-dog.
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wat0n wrote:Having military bases and storing weapons in an area is, in fact, a form of establishing presence there.

Furthermore, if one stores ammo somewhere it's because you have access to that area and expect to be able to pick it up as needed.


Then provide evidence that Hamas stores materiel there.

It is also not a personal attack to call out those who justify the October 7 massacre, including the mass rapes there, like you do @Pants-of-dog.


You do not even know what a personal attack is, it seems. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Then provide evidence that Hamas stores materiel there.


A battalion needs materiel to operate in an area, and will keep it in its quarters wherever it operates in. If not, how can it operate and set up base there? How can it train if it has no materiel?

Pants-of-dog wrote:You do not even know what a personal attack is, it seems. :lol: :lol: :lol:


It's not my fault you're doing that.

It is true you're willingly choosing to align with mass rapists and excuse their actions.
#15305702
The evidence has not been ignored.

The only evidence for the battalion being quartered there is an inference based on a set of assumptions coming from a poor translation.

This is not good evidence. With this logic, the Edmonton Police Service is headquartered in the locker room of the Edmonton Oilers.

The lengths people go tp justify bombing women and children. :roll:
#15305720
No, the evidence for the battalion being quartered there is that it's mentioned in the Al Qassam's website itself that the Nuseirat refugee camp was used for training and other similar uses. That implies quartering, regardless of your attempts to make some false analogy.

The lengths @Pants-of-dog will go to justify granting impunity to mass rapists and murderers. The funny thing is that if a rapist is Jewish, he will not do that at all and will rightfully demand punishment.
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