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wat0n wrote:The only swing state where this could have an effect is Michigan.


What an absurd claim

Contrast it to Pennsylvania and Georgia, where taking an anti-Israel stance can lead many to vote Trump or stay home, and each of which has more weight in the Electoral College than Michigan. Even Jews alone far outnumber Arabs/Muslims in both states, Biden's wins were narrow and Jews have traditionally voted Dem (so the loss would be of likely Dem voters).


The idea that demographic information alone is what determines these kinds of voting patterns on this issue isn't how the real world works.

If Biden loses, it won't be because of this but likely immigration and the economy. Although he can perfectly win due to never Trump Republicans and also many voters for him solely based on abortion.


I don't know that Biden moving to the right on immigration is what is going to lose him the election. His support for genocide, however, may very well make him lose. Biden/genocide supporters try to keep ignoring the reality about this though.
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KurtFF8 wrote:What an absurd claim


Not at all.

KurtFF8 wrote:The idea that demographic information alone is what determines these kinds of voting patterns on this issue isn't how the real world works.


Odd, that is what the whole Michigan case is based on.

KurtFF8 wrote:I don't know that Biden moving to the right on immigration is what is going to lose him the election. His support for genocide, however, may very well make him lose. Biden/genocide supporters try to keep ignoring the reality about this though.


It's the other way around, if Biden doesn't do anything about the border issue then he may as well lose.

This is also far more important for voters in pretty much all surveys than any foreign policy issues.
#15310321
Because it was a clear signal to the humanitarian aid agencies: only the IDF can be allowed to run security details, and the IDF can (at any point) turn its guns on the humanitarian aid it is supposed to be protecting.

This means that the IDF is not only stopping most aid from entering Gaza, but now the tiny trickle allowed in Gaza can be attacked by the IDF when it is in Gaza.
#15310371
Brits were trying to police Palestine, they were driven out by terrorism, and not by Arabs...

Periodically, Israel would poke Palestinians until they responded. Israel would then use that excuse to use massive violence, and steal a bunch of land.

Israel also limited greatly what could go in, or come out, from Gaza. This helped them control the narrative. Unfortunately for them, their terrorism is killing a lot of foreign aid workers. You just might imply the PR is less than ideal....

Point is, terrorism is what they have always done. I doubt they even see it as terrorism; but if the current conflict proves anything...

Israel has pretended to be something it clearly is not. Now, confronted with the barbaric reality, they don't know what to do. But, for the rest of the world, we are confronted with something we must do.
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wat0n wrote:He could have blamed Hamas for that one, couldn't he?

He could have, but it wouldn't have stood up. Anyone who knows how particular munitions react on hitting a target would have quickly surmised it couldn't have been Hamas.

Not everyone is willing to lie for Israel, so it's best if you admit it.

You can always blame it on a coordination error.


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ingliz wrote:He could have, but it wouldn't have stood up. Anyone who knows how particular munitions react on hitting a target would have quickly surmised it couldn't have been Hamas.

Not everyone is willing to lie for Israel, so it's best if you admit it.

You can always blame it on a coordination error.


:)


How could Israel be caught? An investigation, if it was ever done, would take a long time.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Being open about who killed the humanitarian workers achieves the goal of threatening humanitarian relief agencies into withdrawing from Gaza entirely.

It makes it clear that no one is safe from the IDF.


Or it can make it clear no one is safe from Hamas.
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It was not Hamas that killed the WCK workers. Nor the Palestinian authorities. Nor any group other than the IDF.

The IDF and Israeli government have been very busy trying to limit and/or disband humanitarian aid agencies in Gaza since the beginning of the war. At the same time, they have also been putting together a parallel humanitarian aid network, using the US port, sea deliveries, having the IDF do security, and choosing very specific humanitarian aid agencies.

The WCK was one of these few, and it was operating within the Israeli parallel system.

There is no way to blame Hamas for this. This was entirely within the control of the IDF and Israeli government.
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wat0n wrote:The only reason

No.

Every weapon leaves a signature.

When asked by the BBC Chris Cobb-Smith, a former British Army officer and ex-UN weapons inspector, said the attack was probably carried out using drone-launched *Israeli* Spike missiles.


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