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Now that we have seen that not all critics of the IDF and Israeli government are antisemitic and that antisemitism is irrelevant to US-Israel relationship, we can address the real reason why Biden is being critical all of a sudden:

White aid workers were killed.
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Calling anti Jewish sentiment antisemitism is itself racist. Its based on the racial prejudice that Jews are the only Semites that really matter. Both the earlier Jew haters and the modern Jewish supremacists are trying to make the religious ethnic conflict between Christians and Judaists and between their ethnic descendants as much more profound conflict than it ever was.
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@Rich Judaism is not a world religion but a tribal one. You can not convert to Judaism, your mother has to be Jewish so are you a Jew.

Before the founding of Israel, Jews and Muslims got along... they fled to Muslim areas where they were secure from inquisition and pogroms.

Unfortunately is the current situation more dangerous then during the crusades because many Jews and Muslims believe we live in end times...
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Skynet wrote:@Rich Judaism is not a world religion but a tribal one. You can not convert to Judaism, your mother has to be Jewish so are you a Jew.

Before the founding of Israel, Jews and Muslims got along... they fled to Muslim areas where they were secure from inquisition and pogroms.

Unfortunately is the current situation more dangerous then during the crusades because many Jews and Muslims believe we live in end times...



You can convert, but it isn't easy. A good friend converted so he could marry a gorgeous, sweet, brilliant Jewish girl. Lucky bastid..

The situation is dangerous because there is a lot of money floating around, and that area lights up whenever there is money.
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late wrote:You can convert, but it isn't easy. A good friend converted so he could marry a gorgeous, sweet, brilliant Jewish girl. Lucky bastid...


I doubt the ultra-orthodox accept this but who cares what fundamentalists think

The situation is dangerous because there is a lot of money floating around, and that area lights up whenever there is money.


No man, money they do not care rarher about the return of the Messiaha... it is realy more explosive, during the crusades was a fight about Jerusalem but no Messianic end times stuff like today.
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Skynet wrote:
I doubt the ultra-orthodox accept this but who cares what fundamentalists think



No man, money they do not care rarher about the return of the Messiaha... it is realy more explosive, during the crusades was a fight about Jerusalem but no Messianic end times stuff like today.



When I said money, I was talking about the ME.

That area has a lot of fighting, has for ages, and it will continue. Think blood feud, not messianic complex. Zeihan has a great line about the Saudi that applies to most of the ME: "The Saudi are the Beverly Hillbillies doing Game of Thrones."
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@late Iranians play also Game of Thrones, support of Hamas costs not much but brings prestige and credibility in the Hood... Iran has still the Dream of Theran becoming the Capitol of an Islamic Superstate... the Hamas support is just a tool to achieve this and to win the support of the predominantly sunni muslim street.
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Skynet wrote:
@late Iranians play also Game of Thrones, support of Hamas costs not much but brings prestige and credibility in the Hood... Iran has still the Dream of Theran becoming the Capitol of an Islamic Superstate... the Hamas support is just a tool to achieve this and to win the support of the predominantly sunni muslim street.



The thing of it is, and I learned this from Zeihan, is not nobody in the region has the ability to conquer it.

The Saudi hire mercs because they are useless at everything but spending money. Iran has dreams of glory, but they are a minority of Muslims. Between the culture, the wealth of the country, they don't have the ability to bring about a new Persia.

So you have this endless jockeying for position that will never accomplish much.
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Israel will not protect civilians. They will continue killing them. We will continue funding their genocide against the Palestinian people because this has been US policy for decades, and the Israelis know we will always support them and the incredibly shitty things they do in the backward bullshit country.
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wat0n wrote:Gaza is not under Israeli occupation.


Telling blatant lies will not help your hasbara campaign, but looks like you're pretty lonely on that front anyway..

Here Norman Finkelstein explains how Gazans have a right to resist occupation. Israel rules the concentration camp called Gaza, by land, sea and air. It decides what goes in and out and it enforces a blockade on it which doesn't allow Gazans to trade with the world outside of the concentration camp, now death camp.


International law offers the people of Palestine a legal right to resist against their oppressors as it does for any group under military occupation. It is in the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 37-43 (1982).

So stop lying about something so obviously a lie...

wat0n wrote:racism


Zionists complaining about racism when they support Zionism which denies privileges to those it occupies based on their race. :lol:
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skinster wrote:Telling blatant lies will not help your hasbara campaign, but looks like you're pretty lonely on that front anyway..

Here Norman Finkelstein explains how Gazans have a right to resist occupation. Israel rules the concentration camp called Gaza, by land, sea and air. It decides what goes in and out and it enforces a blockade on it which doesn't allow Gazans to trade with the world outside of the concentration camp, now death camp.


International law offers the people of Palestine a legal right to resist against their oppressors as it does for any group under military occupation. It is in the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 37-43 (1982).

So stop lying about something so obviously a lie...


The right to resist does not include a right commit mass murder, kidnap or rape :roll:

Finkelstein is also not a lawyer :lol:

skinster wrote:Zionists complaining about racism when they support Zionism which denies privileges to those it occupies based on their race. :lol:


Are you excusing your neonazi bros harassing Jews and calling them "murderous kikes"?
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wat0n wrote:The right to resist does not include a right commit mass murder, kidnap or rape :roll:


The right for those living under occupation includes the right to armed resistance and given what the occupied have suffered - 200+ Palestinians were killed in 2023 by their occupiers before Oct 7 happened - the killing of hundreds of Israelis seems fair. Kidnapping hostages to use as a bargaining chip for Palestinian hostages also seems fair, too bad the Palestinians didn't realise that the Israeli government doesn't give a shit about their own hostages.

As for rape, repeating the lie about rape happening on Oct 7 doesn't make it true. As Norman Finkelstein has pointed out, on the Patten report:

Norman Finkelstein wrote:The paradox is the Pramilla Patten report ended up being the most compelling evidence that there wasn’t widespread rape and sexual violence on Oct 7.

Now you might be wondering how could that be? All the media were saying, here is the proof. We have the proof. We have the smoking gun, the Pramilla Patten report. But what did the Pramilla Patten report show?

Number one, they were suppled overwhelmingly with their evidence from the Israeli government. So you conclude, not just infer, you conclude Israel made its best case to them. Correct? What was Israel’s best case? They looked at not less than 5000 photographs, and they looked at 50 full hours of digital footage.

They told us, or Patten told us: the footage came from web cams, dash cams, CCTV, traffic monitors, which is to say, they looked at footage taken from every conceivable angle by every conceivable technological device, and you have to remember, that area was abutting Gaza, which means it must have been among the most heavily surveilled areas in all of Israel. And here’s the upshot, the kicker, they said in the report: they couldn’t find one single image or frame of sexual violence. Not one! And this was Israel’s best case!


Finkelstein is also not a lawyer :lol:


No, but he is a serious academic scholar that has never, not once, been proven incorrect by lying Zionists like you, on the work he does. He is forensic in his output and yet to be contradicted. All you have against him are ad-homs and a bunch of whining. It has been like this since I first started reading the professor 20 years ago and it remains the same today.

Are you excusing your neonazi bros harassing Jews and calling them "murderous kikes"?


I'm saying you expecting a violin for crying about racism when you support a racist state is funny as fuck. How much do they pay you to shill for the genocidal state, wat0n? You do it so poorly too. I could do a better job than you if I was a genocide-supporting savage. :lol:
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skinster wrote:The right for those living under occupation includes the right to armed resistance and given what the occupied have suffered - 200+ Palestinians were killed in 2023 by their occupiers before Oct 7 happened - the killing of hundreds of Israelis seems fair. Kidnapping hostages to use as a bargaining chip for Palestinian hostages also seems fair, too bad the Palestinians didn't realise that the Israeli government doesn't give a shit about their own hostages.


Yes, I know you love the idea of mass murder and rape of Israelis.

Typical from the nazbols.

skinster wrote:As for rape, repeating the lie about rape happening on Oct 7 doesn't make it true. As Norman Finkelstein has pointed out, on the Patten report:


Misquoting from the Patten report won't do you or a fraudster like Finkelstein any favors:

Patten Report wrote:V. Conclusions

84. Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of rape and gang rape, during the 7 October 2023 attacks. Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered.

85. With regards to the hostages, the mission team found clear and convincing information that some hostages taken to Gaza have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing.

86. The mission team was unable to establish the prevalence of sexual violence and concludes that the overall magnitude, scope, and specific attribution of these violations would require a fully-fledged investigation. A comprehensive investigation would enable the information base to be expanded in locations which the mission team was not able to visit and to build the required trust with survivors/victims of conflict-related sexual violence who may be reluctant to come forward at this point.

87. Regarding the occupied Palestinian Territory, while its scope did not extend to verification, the mission team received information from institutional and civil society sources as well as through direct interviews, about some forms of sexual violence against Palestinian men and women in detention settings, during house raids and at checkpoints. Though the mission team did not visit Gaza, the Office of the SRSG-SVC will continue to monitor the situation for any relevant allegations of CRSV in the context of the ongoing hostilities. The relevant UN entities present in the occupied Palestinian Territory will provide UN-verified information for reporting to the Security Council on allegations of CRSV, which will be complemented by the information obtained by the mission team.


I don't doubt that he, like you, wants to watch rape footage to jack off. Unsurprising.

skinster wrote:No, but he is a serious academic scholar that has never, not once, been proven incorrect by lying Zionists like you, on the work he does. He is forensic in his output and yet to be contradicted. All you have against him are ad-homs and a bunch of whining. It has been like this since I first started reading the professor 20 years ago and it remains the same today.


Finkelstein is actually a fraud, and a Holocaust denier too.

skinster wrote:I'm saying you expecting a violin for crying about racism when you support a racist state is funny as fuck. How much do they pay you to shill for the genocidal state, wat0n? You do it so poorly too. I could do a better job than you if I was a genocide-supporting savage. :lol:


It's funny to see a degenerate who wants to masturbate to rape footage try to provide lessons about morality :lol:

At least the bullshit stopped and you are openly supporting antisemitic harassment.
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