[late]

I am sure over time they will improve.

You said you are from the state of Maine? Did you know @jimjam? I worry he is deceased. He was feeling badly physically and he no longer posts at all. He was Hungarian American and very blonde and blue-eyed. Such a nice man. I liked him a lot.

A lot of people from Maine are of Scotch-Irish descent and English. German too. All sorts of people. But a lot of European background Americans are in Maine. Jimjam invited me to visit him in Maine. I never could go. I had so many things to do in Mexico. My kid is in elementary school still. And I had to be on top of my jobs here.

I have visited a lot of states though Late. Let me see the ones I have visited or lived in or stayed in for more than a day or two in my life? Colorado, New York, California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Virginia, Maryland, Georgia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Indiana, Michigan, Wyoming, Illinois, Florida, Delaware, and Washington DC which is not a state.

So I have seen my fair share of the USA. Lower 48. Alaska and Hawaiian Islands? No, never been there. And Maine is one of the states I have never visited before. Montana, Idaho I only drove through Pocatello never stayed overnight there. Montana never been or Washington state or Oregon either. Never been there. Ohio I do not recall ever being there either. Canada was way too cold for my taste. Even though most of Canada is occupied or populated by Canadians who live very close to the US-Canadian border. Most of Canada is just inaccessible tundra and forests that trying to create highways and so on to access is almost through an engineering perspective very hard to accomplish. So it is empty mostly.

Yeah, I'm in Maine. I have met Jimjam, but haven't seen him in a couple years. He was very old, so he may no longer be with us.

If you come this way, I'll buy or make you a coffee. However, consider going to Nova Scotia instead. Its' rocky coasts are rockier than ours, the lobster tastes slightly better, it's more like Maine than Maine is. Just don't eat any French Canadian pancakes. I forget the name, but one of those breakfasts has a few thousand calories, mostly oil. Made me feel terrible.

Speaking of Canada, I would very much like to go to Vancouver. Very pretty, great restaurants.

[Tainari88]

Yeah, I'm in Maine. I have met Jimjam, but haven't seen him in a couple years. He was very old, so he may no longer be with us.

If you come this way, I'll buy or make you a coffee. However, consider going to Nova Scotia instead. Its' rocky coasts are rockier than ours, the lobster tastes slightly better, it's more like Maine than Maine is. Just don't eat any French Canadian pancakes. I forget the name, but one of those breakfasts has a few thousand calories, mostly oil. Made me feel terrible.

Speaking of Canada, I would very much like to go to Vancouver. Very pretty, great restaurants.

I wish I would know if he is still alive or not?

He was a New Yorker and his wife was from Ohio.

I have heard Vancouver is pretty as well. I am supposed to go to Guatemala and Africa soon. But I might have to wait a bit for that.

You would buy me a coffee eh? As picky as you are with good fruit and vegetables? I am still looking for a good website where you can get fruit delivered to you in the USA. Here there is a local market that has beautiful fruit that is inexpensive. I go there a lot.

I ate some pears from Greece this morning but they were in a jar. No sugar added. Pears are beautiful but do not grow in the tropics at all.

Soursop is my favorite fruit for ice cream or sorbets.

I tried to buy fruit for @Potemkin once but the Scottish have the worst customer service on Earth. Lol. I am not impressed with the Scottish shops keeping track of their online requests for delivery. Lol. They are bad to the bone. Drop the ball.

Here? Some of the best service you get. Personalistic and friendly and really quite pleasant.

[Deutschmania]

They don't always, though.

Ben and Angela Ihegboro, a black Nigerian couple, gave birth to a white baby with blonde curly hair and blue eyes.

Albinism - one of the most common recessive disorders in Nigeria - has been ruled out.

And in addition , I have heard of this fascinating case from out of India . The woman has red hair , green eyes , and looks like any white person , but is of indigenous Indian heritage .

https://metro.co.uk/2017/12/14/indian-woman-with-fair-skin-and-ginger-hair-feels-like-a-foreigner-in-her-own-country-7159625/

[FiveofSwords]

And in addition , I have heard of this fascinating case from out of India . The woman has red hair , green eyes , and looks like any white person , but is of indigenous Indian heritage .

https://metro.co.uk/2017/12/14/indian-woman-with-fair-skin-and-ginger-hair-feels-like-a-foreigner-in-her-own-country-7159625/

Why would that be fascinating if you don't believe genetics anyway?

[Deutschmania]

The one drop rule was never used for Indigenous people.

This was due to the influence of a number of Virginia's socially elite families , who were concerned that their own status as white people could be jeopardized by the one drop rule . https://aaregistry.org/story/virginias-racial-integrity-act-passed/

And could you all imagine what would have happened if the one drop rule were to have been applied by National Socialist Germany , in regards to Jewish descent , per the Nuremburg Laws ?

Why I myself would have been relegated to the status of Jew . For , like a number of Pennsylvania Germans , I do have some distant Jewish ancestry . For historically amongst the German population their has been a considerable degree of Jewish assimilation , especially when compared with the "Ostjuden" .

[Deutschmania]

Why would that be fascinating if you don't believe genetics anyway?

Don't strawman me . I don't believe in genetic superiority , not in the existence of genetic distinction at all . Otherwise , why would people be able to get DNA tests , both for themselves , and their dogs . By the way , I think that it might prove interesting if you would submit to a DNA test , and post the results here . Maybe you'd wind up like this man .

[FiveofSwords]

Don't strawman me . I don't believe in genetic superiority , not in the existence of genetic distinction at all . Otherwise , why would people be able to get DNA tests , both for themselves , and their dogs . By the way , I think that it might prove interesting if you would submit to a DNA test , and post the results here . Maybe you'd wind up like this man .

Well I've done a dna test and it turns out that I don't even have any detectable ancestry south of the English channel. But what you might find weird is that my beliefs would not change at all even if I were 100% black or 100% jewish.

Also, I don't understand what a 'superior' race would even mean. 'Chosen' by God or something? The concept of a 'superior' race makes no sense to me.

For sure, I think only white people can create a white civilization. And I can only feel at home in a white civilization. I think we had a remarkable talent for solving problems with technology. I think our artistic endeavors were the best, though I suppose that is a bit subjective, and I think our philosophy was the most enlightened and sophisticated.

But the past tense here is doing a lot of work. Today we honestly seem like the weakest and perhaps the stupidest race. It certainly feels like there has been some radical change since the industrial revolution and two world wars. Probably galton was simply correct and we ought to have maintained a bit more 'racial hygeine'. I dunno.

[Rich]

Hang on, hang on, you're all trying to gas light us even further. The main argument in this thread is now about whether the word heritable is a real word and whether @FiveofSwords use of the word means that either he is a 13 year old living in a basement or is an older person who is fundamentally stupid.

[ingliz]

we ought to have maintained a bit more 'racial hygeine'.

Quoting Francis Galton, "There exists a sentiment, for the most part quite unreasonable, against the gradual extinction of an inferior race."



I know Godwin is frowned upon, but raising it is justified in this case.

Your whole scheme is steeped in Nazi ideology.

and

We know what happened last time this was tried.

Aren't you afraid you are setting yourself up for a fall? You cannot guarantee the white skin you say you don't care about will stay white. Your ethnicity is not certain as different DNA tests give different results.

[Fasces]

Just English and scottish actually.

Absolute horseshit.

Ancient DNA from Cheddar Man, a Mesolithic skeleton discovered in 1903 at Gough's Cave in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset, has helped Museum scientists paint a portrait of one of the oldest modern humans in Britain. This discovery is consistent with a number of other Mesolithic human remains discovered throughout Europe. Cheddar Man is the oldest complete skeleton to be discovered in the UK and has long been hailed as the first modern Briton, who lived around 7,150 BC. His remains are kept by London's Natural History Museum in the Human Evolution gallery.

Some 25 years ago, in an amazing piece of DNA detective work, using genetic material taken from the cavity of one of Cheddar Man’s molar teeth, scientists were able to identify Mr. Targett, 62, as a direct descendant.

Analysis of his nuclear DNA indicates that he was a typical member of the Western European hunter-gatherer population at the time, with lactose intolerance, probably with light-colored eyes (most likely green but possibly blue or hazel), dark brown or black hair, and dark or dark-to-black skin, although an intermediate skin color cannot be ruled out. There are a handful of genetic variants linked to reduced pigmentation, including some that are very widespread in European populations today. However, Cheddar Man had “ancestral” versions of all these genes, strongly suggesting he would have had a “dark to black” skin tone.

Twenty years ago, Targett and a group of pupils underwent tests to find out if there was a DNA link between modern residents and Cheddar Man. Targett was found to have a connection. “Cheddar Man and I share a common female ancestor,” explained Targett, 62, who is now retired from the school. [...] Instead, he is remembered as the history teacher who in 10,000 years was still to be found less than a mile from the cave his forebear had frequented. “I can live with that,” Targett said.

Like Cheddar Man, Targett has blue eyes and his skin is quite dark. “I’ve also got his nose and perhaps his hairline,” he said. Intriguingly, Targett revealed that two 14-year-old girls were also found to have links to Cheddar Man. But to protect them, they were not told.

The latest DNA tests suggest Cheddar Man’s ancestors left Africa, moved into the Middle East and headed west into Europe before crossing the ancient land bridge Doggerland connecting Britain to continental Europe.

Targett, a guy literally living in the same place his direct descendents were living 9,000 years ago, isn't "full English and Scottish". You're certainly fucking not, either. It's an island of genetic mutts, that colonized and produced a continent of genetic mutts.

[FiveofSwords]

Absolute horseshit.







Targett, a guy literally living in the same place his direct descendents were living 9,000 years ago, isn't "full English and Scottish". You're certainly fucking not, either. It's an island of genetic mutts, that colonized and produced a continent of genetic mutts.

Naturally I've heard these silly claims about this 'cheddar man' and i am sure it is a big hoax. The scientists who claimed he had 'dark skin' have admitted that actually no, he wasn't as black as that stupid mannequin...and he also wasn't as dark as they originally claimed.

But more importantly, it doesn't matter. 10 billion years ago the British isles didn't even exist...why didn't you bring that up? The fact is, time matters with life forms on earth. Nobody alive today is very genetically close to any population that lived 10k years ago. Populations change over time. As technology changes, they are actually forced to.

Somehow, Sardinians are very close to early European farmers. That is actually a remarkable fact. It kinda demands explanation how that is even possible.

But every other European population is relatively new. All people are shaped by their history. The Neolithic revolution genetically changed every human population it encountered. Europe was radically altered by the yamnaya invasion around 3.5-3k bc. Indeed, the gene for blond hair that many people associate with Europe actually originated in siberia about 16k years ago...although western hunter gatherers already often had blue eyes. The r1a1 haplogroup originated with the yamnaya and that later mutated to r1b1 is western Europe. The roman empire altered our dna, because it put selective pressure on our reproduction for a long time. Conversion to Christianity altered our DNA, because it put selective pressure on our reproduction for a long time. Feudalism altered our DNA, because it put selective pressure on our reproduction for a long time. The introduction of the death penalty for murder (which began in the 12th century) altered our DNA, because it put selective pressure on your reproduction for a long time. The black death altered our DNA because it killed a lot of people. The development of the musket altered our DNA. The industrial revolution, agricultural revolution, and medical revolution altered our dna.

The English are identifiable genetically. Of course a dna test will tell you whether you are English. But even if you don't believe genetics exist, you can confirm in your personal life that almost everyone can identify whether a person is northern European by simply looking at them. Everyone seems to know that Brad Pitt is a white guy. The fact that a whole category of people is identifiable from physical traits means there is something to it. I don't care if you call it genetic but it is some sort of physical something. Meanwhile barrack Obama is mixed race and pretty much everyone would agree that Obama has a different 'look' than Brad Pitt. That observation alone should be sufficient to prove that white people are not 'mutts'...even if you deny genetics or evolution. Whatever the mechanism there has to be some reason why entire categories of people are identifiable from their physical features...and indeed this is why humans had a concept of race long before they even learned that evolution or genetics even existed.

Maybe you lack this ability. I have no idea. Perhaps you personally cannot distinguish white people from black people visually. That might be why you find the whole concept difficult to understand. But you could at least confirm that most humans on earth can. In fact, it is not merely 'white supremacists' who can see the difference. There is plenty of evidence that Martin Luther King was able to determine the race of people by physical characteristics, for example. Maybe you think he was a white supremacist, I dunno. But is there any public figure you think is not a white supremacist? Maybe just tell me who it is and I can probably find some evidence that they are able to distinguish races from physical characteristics.

[Pants-of-dog]

The English are identifiable genetically. Of course a dna test will tell you whether you are English.

This seems incorrect.

[ingliz]

@Pants-of-dog

It is.

There is no English ethnicity because the population of England emerged through the mixing of several ethnic waves.

There is little real science behind these ancestry tests.

[FiveofSwords]

@Pants-of-dog

It is.

There is no English ethnicity because the population of England emerged through the mixing of several ethnic waves.

There is little real science behind these ancestry tests.

Uh..just because there existed 'mixing' in the history of a people does not mean those people do not exist. This is just a very dumb non sequitur. And I have pointed it out to you before...but you seem incapable of learning. Just like various dog or horse breeds arose from selective breeding and mixture of ither breeds does not mean they do not exist as a breed.

There is mixing in the history of literally all life on earth. With your attitude you would have to reject the existence of humans. Or mammals. You just seem to assume life works in a way thst it simply does not.

[late]

Uh..just because there existed 'mixing' in the history of a people does not mean those people do not exist. This is just a very dumb non sequitur. And I have pointed it out to you before...but you seem incapable of learning. Just like various dog or horse breeds arose from selective breeding and mixture of ither breeds does not mean they do not exist as a breed.

There is mixing in the history of literally all life on earth. With your attitude you would have to reject the existence of humans. Or mammals. You just seem to assume life works in a way thst it simply does not.

Your writing reminds me of late Medieval thinking, like the Scholastics.

Which is a fancy way of calling it a word salad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholasticism

[FiveofSwords]

Your writing reminds me of late Medieval thinking, like the Scholastics.

Which is a fancy way of calling it a word salad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholasticism

If you read anything from an era when humans were capable of abstract reasoning it would probably remind you a bit of my writing. You probably don't realize that your inability to do basic logic is actually the real outlier here. There are only a handful of select moments in history where that phenomenon can be observed, usually during the collapse if a formerly great empire.

[FiveofSwords]

This seems incorrect.

I am sure all sorts of things 'seem incorrect' to you. But this is just the scientific consensus I am reporting. Here, I Googled some info for you if you have the reading comprehension for it: https://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/#:~:t ... 20settlers.

[Pants-of-dog]

I am sure all sorts of things 'seem incorrect' to you. But this is just the scientific consensus I am reporting. Here, I Googled some info for you if you have the reading comprehension for it: https://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/#:~:t ... 20settlers.

Quote the relevant text.

[late]

If you read anything from an era when humans were capable of abstract reasoning it would probably remind you a bit of my writing. You probably don't realize that your inability to do basic logic is actually the real outlier here. There are only a handful of select moments in history where that phenomenon can be observed, usually during the collapse of a formerly great empire.

You're funny.

https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Great-Powers/dp/0679720197/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3JVC403HUSIYS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.MjH46itM_UuLWDExBoxObaF9wUwqtJupJ7bnBUuy457tVF1HXdXGm8E-7vioQIfNG3Yv3dUK2gz-HPxVxj1he9PEQyChXjHsTtmxJaEghYs6RwroVfYXJ2no_lTNZ8W27sNyzBvt_h0aSONXCHaHwHaW1a8i_FpcHIPnOq4wQ_3kwGysdgdYy8i1rEr6DhgvH_tcbRJjI51OGQTVU-Ma8EKTFJ0F9rFUKpXtiecTwko.fgncB-UmoRFOuOHiajyikLkvIsQZ2_VcEeh3C3Cmj9g&dib_tag=se&keywords=paul+kennedy+rise+and+fall&qid=1713972886&sprefix=paul+kennedy%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1

[FiveofSwords]

Quote the relevant text.

Well okay, this seems relevant:

"The genetic map of Britain shows that most of the eastern, central and southern parts of England form a single genetic group with between 10 and 40 per cent Anglo-Saxon ancestry. However, people in this cluster also retain DNA from earlier settlers. The invaders did not wipe out the existing population; instead, they seem to have integrated with them."