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Whenever the Zionist regime is challenged, questioned, their claims disputed; the antisemitism card gets played. We've seen it since Oct 7th, at every turn Zionist do not respond to the challenges, the questions, they disregard them as effrontery and shout "look here folks, antisemitism" over and over and over.

The Holocaust and historic antisemitism have been weaponized and serve as a very powerful weapon to suppress dissent, to invalidate opponents to induce guilt and thus passivity from non-Jews all over the world.
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Here's a recent example:

Gilad Erdan wrote:“The secretary-general’s decision to include the [most] moral army in the world along with terrorist organisations and human rights violators is a despicable and despicable decision by a Secretary-General who hates Israel”, Israeli media quoted Gilad Erdan as saying of UN chief Antonio Guterres.


See? anything and everything that's levelled against the Zionist regime is automatically perceived and represented as "hate" against Israel or Jews, it's pathetic and I'm glad for one thing these past few months, people are no longer willing to pushed around and told what they can and can't say by a bunch of neanderthal Zionist neo-Nazis.
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This is great, the brainwashed young woman is totally confused, her indoctrination and manufactured belief system about Jews is directly confronted by Jews, all she can do is scream and fret. It doesn't take long until she starts the violence and abuse, so typical of entitled Zionist fanatics.

Sadly for her the one card she'd love to play (the "Antisemite" card) won't work here.

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Sherlock Holmes wrote:Of course it does, if you make some effort to educate yourself you'd soon recognize this. Since before WW2, Zionism in Palestine has been founded on antisemitism, it has been leveraged, valued, desired as a means to get financial support from the West. Therefore anything that can be described as antisemitism is an asset. If antisemitism was stamped out across the world, the Zionists would disappear, they rely on it, they need it.

This is well documented, do the research if honesty means anything to you.

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I certainly don't care about whatever defenders of Holocaust denial like Finkelstein think about this matter.

The families who have been victimized, the average Israelis who have to live in constant fear of being attacked, the soldiers sent to fight wars, the taxpayers who need to fund the security apparatus - none of these benefit from massacres of their own compatriots.
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wat0n wrote:The families who have been victimized, the average Israelis who have to live in constant fear of being attacked, the soldiers sent to fight wars, the taxpayers who need to fund the security apparatus - none of these benefit from massacres of their own compatriots.


Why do you expect that people benefitting from an illegal occupation not be attacked by the people they have stolen territory from, homes from, farmland from? I don't follow you, can you explain yourself please?

Only someone with an extreme degree of entitlement would ever express such a view.
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wat0n wrote:I certainly don't care about whatever defenders of Holocaust denial like Finkelstein think about this matter.


You're lying again, Finkelstein has never defended or denied the Holocaust, in fact he's explained several times how all relatives on his Mother's and Father's side were exterminated by the Nazis, are you thinking of someone else or simply telling lies?
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:Why do you expect that people benefitting from an illegal occupation not be attacked by the people they have stolen territory from, homes from, farmland from? I don't follow you, can you explain yourself please?

Only someone with an extreme degree of entitlement would ever express such a view.


Because they are civilians and civilians shouldn't be attacked.

But hey, make your support for genocide clearer at that. After all, any Jew who has traveled to Israel or has relatives there can count as "benefitting from an illegal occupation".

Sherlock Holmes wrote:You're lying again, Finkelstein has never denied the Holocaust, in fact he's explained several times how all relatives on his Mother's and Father's side were exterminated by the Nazis, are you thinking of someone else or simply telling lies?


He surely has no issues with Holocaust denial, at all.
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wat0n wrote:Because they are civilians and civilians shouldn't be attacked.


So what should Palestinians do about the thousands and thousands of armed and violent thugs who have stolen land, evicted occupants and destroyed farms of non-Jews?

Just shrug their shoulders? just be charitable and let them do as they please? They've tried everything else, laws, courts, UN and so on, every option has failed and the process continues day in day out, when everything but violence has failed then surely violence becomes justified.

Israel has been directed and instructed to cease the illegal occupation and hand back all occupied territory, they have ignored all that and in fact been supported by the US too.

You say "civilians" but I don't see why these people should NOT be attacked by those they have stolen from, evicted and chased from their own homes, sometimes even killing them in the process.

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Sherlock Holmes wrote:So what should Palestinians do about the thousands and thousands of armed and violent thugs who have stolen land, evicted occupants and destroyed farms of non-Jews?

Just shrug their shoulders? just be charitable and let them do as they please? They've tried everything else, laws, courts, UN and so on, every option has failed and the process continues day in day out, when everything but violence has failed then surely violence becomes justified.

Israel has been directed and instructed to cease the illegal occupation and hand back all occupied territory, they have ignored all that and in fact been supported by the US too.

You say "civilians" but I don't see why these people should NOT be attacked by those they have stolen from, evicted and chased from their own homes, sometimes even killing them in the process.

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They're, using the Israeli term, "unlawful combatants" if they participate in attacking Palestinians.
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wat0n wrote:They're, using the Israeli term, "unlawful combatants" if they participate in attacking Palestinians.


Really? I thought they were referred to by the polite term "settlers". Either way it doesn't matter, if those scruffy unkempt fuckers tried that with me they'd regret it, unlike Israel we don't have entitlement laws to protect a specific ethnicity.

Arizona has both Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws. Castle doctrine (coined from the phrase, “a man's home is his castle”) gives residents the right to use force – even deadly force if appropriate – to protect themselves and their family from an intrusive and imminent threat in their home, property or vehicle.
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:Really? I thought they were referred to by the polite term "settlers". Either way it doesn't matter, if those scruffy unkempt fuckers tried that with me they'd regret it, unlike Israel we don't have entitlement laws to protect a specific ethnicity.


You seem to be confused.

Any Israeli living in the occupied territory who's not affiliated to the IDF or in a mission on its behalf is a settler. It doesn't mean if he's an unlawful combatant or a newborn, legally, that's what they are.
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wat0n wrote:Any Israeli living in the occupied territory who's not affiliated to the IDF or in a mission on its behalf is a settler. It doesn't mean if he's an unlawful combatant or a newborn, legally, that's what they are.


Settlers are beneficiaries (at the expense of those occupied) of the illegal occupation, any person participating in the theft or occupation of stolen land is a legitimate target to those from whom the land was stolen. Fighting the occupiers (allowed under the UN charter and Geneva convention) includes all occupiers whether they wear a uniform or not is immaterial.

Towns attacked on Oct 7th included

Erez a former Arab village from which all 520 inhabitants were ethnically cleansed in 1948.
Sderot a former Arab village from which all 422 inhabitants were ethnically cleansed in 1948.
Ofakim a former Bedouin village from which all inhabitants were ethnically cleansed in 1948.

Those expelled moved to Gaza where their descendant are today being bombed and mutilated by the same perverse ideology that ethnically cleansed their grandparents from their homes seventy five years ago.

Now please explain why you believe it is unjustified for those locations along with those illegally occupying Palestinian land, homes and farmland, to be attacked by those committed to resisting the illegal occupation? and tell me what you think is a better solution for the Palestinians?

Why should anyone give up any hope of returning to their land simply because it was stolen by people in uniform and then handed over by those people to other non-uniformed people to illegally occupy?

Every person living on occupied land has the choice to recognize it is a crime and leave the area, they have that choice but choose to remain and continue using someone else's land and home.

Anyone who truly believes that such behavior will not provoke violence sooner or later, is either deranged or entitled.
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:Settlers are beneficiaries (at the expense of those occupied) of the illegal occupation, any person participating in the theft or occupation of stolen land is a legitimate target to those from whom the land was stolen. Fighting the occupiers (allowed under the UN charter and Geneva convention) includes all occupiers whether they wear a uniform or not is immaterial.

Towns attacked on Oct 7th included

Erez a former Arab village from which all 520 inhabitants were ethnically cleansed in 1948.
Sderot a former Arab village from which all 422 inhabitants were ethnically cleansed in 1948.
Ofakim a former Bedouin village from which all inhabitants were ethnically cleansed in 1948.

Those expelled moved to Gaza where their descendant are today being bombed and mutilated by the same perverse ideology that ethnically cleansed their grandparents from their homes seventy five years ago.

Now please explain why you believe it is unjustified for those locations along with those illegally occupying Palestinian land, homes and farmland, to be attacked by those committed to resisting the illegal occupation? and tell me what you think is a better solution for the Palestinians?

Why should anyone give up any hope of returning to their land simply because it was stolen by people in uniform and then handed over by those people to other non-uniformed people to illegally occupy?

Every person living on occupied land has the choice to recognize it is a crime and leave the area, they have that choice but choose to remain and continue using someone else's land and home.

Anyone who truly believes that such behavior will not provoke violence sooner or later, is either deranged or entitled.


Oh so you in fact justify committing genocide Israelis themselves.

If it's about restoring property or return, then can Israel attack Hebron to restore the property to those Jews who were ethnically cleansed in 1929?

Same for Jerusalem, can the Palestinians who live there be kicked out to restore property to their owners? Yes or no?
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wat0n wrote:Oh so you in fact justify committing genocide Israelis themselves.


If that's how you choose to interpret what I said then so be it.

wat0n wrote:If it's about restoring property or return, then can Israel attack Hebron to restore the property to those Jews who were ethnically cleansed in 1929?


Well that's an interesting question, but we were speaking about how Palestinians can forcefully react to the illegal occupation and Hebron and the Hebron massacre do nut fall under this heading.

wat0n wrote:Same for Jerusalem, can the Palestinians who live there be kicked out to restore property to their owners? Yes or no?


They get kicked out routinely, haven't you been watching?

We can't speak about reciprocity until the illegal occupation ends, while Israel continues to defy international law and illegally occupy territory any talk of reciprocity is pointless, premature.
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:If that's how you choose to interpret what I said then so be it.


You are not qualifying your statements here.

Is a child like Kfir Bibas benefitting from occupation?

Sherlock Holmes wrote:Well that's an interesting question, but we were speaking about how Palestinians can forcefully react to the illegal occupation and Hebron and the Hebron massacre do nut fall under this heading.


As opposed to the illegal ethnic cleansing from 1948 and earlier? Don't change the goalposts, if force is acceptable to undo the Nakba then it is acceptable to use it for undoing everything else...

Sherlock Holmes wrote:They get kicked out routinely, haven't you been watching?

We can't speak about reciprocity until the illegal occupation ends, while Israel continues to defy international law and illegally occupy territory any talk of reciprocity is pointless, premature.


So are you OK with them being kicked out? After some Israeli person shows up with Ottoman or Mandatory property deeds showing ownership, which is what has happened...
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wat0n wrote:No, it has not. Hamas has been using human shields for many years now.


You're literally just repeating a talking point and not engaging in the conversation now. You obviously didn't watch the video.

The civilians aren't responsible for that. Hamas is.


Nope! The IOF is the one killing the civilians. They are the sole responsible party for their own actions. Hamas does not control the operations of the IOF.

You could ask this yourself. Why do you have to lie so much about the obvious antisemitism in the left?


You can keep repeating your lie all you want. It is still a lie.
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KurtFF8 wrote:You're literally just repeating a talking point and not engaging in the conversation now. You obviously didn't watch the video.


Are you denying the explicit instance of shielding I quoted?

KurtFF8 wrote:Nope! The IOF is the one killing the civilians. They are the sole responsible party for their own actions. Hamas does not control the operations of the IOF.


Hamas does control where it places its military targets.

Shielding does not make them immune to attack.

KurtFF8 wrote:You can keep repeating your lie all you want. It is still a lie.


The actual incidents say otherwise. Typical lying leftist.
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wat0n wrote:Are you denying the explicit instance of shielding I quoted?


You just made the claim is all.

Also, Israel itself has a long history of using human shields. So it seems like you're just projecting here.

Hamas does control where it places its military targets.

Shielding does not make them immune to attack.


The Israeli military is responsible for its own actions. Hamas is not commanding the IOF. It's pretty wild that this needs to be clarified.
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KurtFF8 wrote:You just made the claim is all.

Also, Israel itself has a long history of using human shields. So it seems like you're just projecting here.


You quite obviously didn't read it, did you?

Nizar Rayan, a Hamas member who led the Jabalya protest, said Palestinians would continue to rush into every house to be threatened by bombardment. "We will pay with our lives to protect the houses of the fighters so they can resist the enemy assured that their homes are being protected," he said.


Also, arresting rioters isn't "using human shields" :roll:

KurtFF8 wrote:The Israeli military is responsible for its own actions. Hamas is not commanding the IOF. It's pretty wild that this needs to be clarified.


So what you are saying is that Hamas should be allowed to use human shields to protect their rocket launchers used against Israeli civilians.

No, Hamas is responsible for that. Indeed, it is part of its strategy.
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Sherlock Holmes wrote:Israel is powerless to prevent more attacks like Oct 7th, utterly powerless,

Oh please! The chances of Hamas pulling off another attack like that are practically zero. Its like 9/11 in that respect. I suspect as big part of the the reason that Hamas got away with 10/7 is because deep state liberals within Israeli's security forces were too focused on bringing down Netanyahu and over turning the democratic election results than on defending the country. Another contributing factor was gun control. One of the main things that came out of the Glorious Revolution that changed England from a klepto-Papist would-be-absolutist Monarchy into a nation-state was the need of the Protestant population to be armed to defend themselves against Papist terrorists.
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