[Deutschmania]

That is the funny of tankies shouting imperialism. Was Iraq and Afghanistan a mistake? Yeah it was that US did it by itself. Bin Laden sort of had the last laugh. So now we are all so timid to intervene anywhere that hundreds of thousands all over the world are starving to death, sit in political prisoner camps and get repressed physically and mentally in many other places. Sort of be damned if you do and be damned if you don't.

Whether or not the United States decides to intervene militarily depends on more than simply altruistic humanitarian concerns. American interventionism is determined more so by material interests . If I were to advise the resistance in Venezuela , as if they would even care about what I think , I would advise them to implement the tactics of color revolution , influenced by the work of the late Gene Sharp , not only because I am a pacificist , but because I feel that it could be most effective , given the military situation .

[JohnRawls]

[KurtFF8]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1820179148989714438

Right wing conspiracy theorists running wild yet again.

[JohnRawls]

Right wing conspiracy theorists running wild yet again.

We will know soon enough. It was something that some members of European Parliament voiced.

[KurtFF8]

We will know soon enough. It was something that some members of European Parliament voiced.

Let me guess, far right MEPs re-posted the one article that's on a far right website about this?

[SpecialOlympian]

Given the US's history of interference in electoral politics in South America, is there any reason I should believe them when my government says the election was stolen? Because we just had a sitting president claim the same, we're not exactly in a position to criticize.

Like whenever my government has an opinion about election integrity in the South, I just think, "Yeah we funded a lot of nun killing death squads down there."

[JohnRawls]

Given the US's history of interference in electoral politics in South America, is there any reason I should believe them when my government says the election was stolen? Because we just had a sitting president claim the same, we're not exactly in a position to criticize.

Like whenever my government has an opinion about election integrity in the South, I just think, "Yeah we funded a lot of nun killing death squads down there."

EU is claiming all this, why would I care what a Macdonald's field fatso like you claims on a topic he knows nothing about?

[KurtFF8]

Given the US's history of interference in electoral politics in South America, is there any reason I should believe them when my government says the election was stolen? Because we just had a sitting president claim the same, we're not exactly in a position to criticize.

Like whenever my government has an opinion about election integrity in the South, I just think, "Yeah we funded a lot of nun killing death squads down there."

Indeed. The US is one of the least credible sources when it comes to what constitutes a "democratic process" around the world, especially in Latin America.

[wat0n]

Why wouldn't one believe it was?

1) The opposition couldn't run with its preferred candidate (the one who won the primary).

2) The first tally was, at the fifth decimal, 51.20000%, 44.20000% and 4.60000% for Maduro, Gonzalez and all the others combined respectively.

3) The government has yet to publish the disaggregated results. Other Latin American countries publish them with 99%+ progress within 12 hours of the closing of all booths, and results can be geographically disaggregated in real time as the vote tally is being updated.

4) Even observers invited by the government are claiming the election was fraudulent (like the Carter Center).

5) Unlike the US, where the federal government does not manage the elections, in Venezuela their federal government is responsible for managing the electoral process through the CNE (whose board is appointed by it). This includes the counting of votes.

[SpecialOlympian]

EU is claiming all this, why would I care what a Macdonald's field fatso like you claims on a topic he knows nothing about?

The US is also claiming it, and the EU doesn't matter because they are loser countries.

[wat0n]

By the way, Maduro is now claiming the protesters are terrorists trained in Peru and Chile

[KurtFF8]

The US is also claiming it, and the EU doesn't matter because they are loser countries.

Only the US is recognizing the person who lost in the election as the winner, the EU doesn't seem to be doing this.

[wat0n]

So where can we see the vote logs that the CNE has yet to publish?

[JohnRawls]

Only the US is recognizing the person who lost in the election as the winner, the EU doesn't seem to be doing this.

Orban blocked a lot of messaging as the Putins poodle he is. Otherwise they would be. And its not only the US.. Chile, Argentina, Peru also I think and some other from South America recognised the opposition as new leaders of Venezuela.

[Rugoz]

Maduro has been a dictator since at least 2017, when he stripped the national assembly of its power, which was nothing but a coup. Since then he has been banning opposition parties/politicians at will.

Like most modern dictators, he has to hold fake elections from time to time.

[wat0n]

Orban blocked a lot of messaging as the Putins poodle he is. Otherwise they would be. And its not only the US.. Chile, Argentina, Peru also I think and some other from South America recognised the opposition as new leaders of Venezuela.

Chile has not taken that step but internal pressure on Boric to do just that will increase as long as Venezuela doesn't publish the logs and given the attacks by Maduro on Chile.

Argentina also recognized González, I think Milei was the first President to do so as he called the fraud immediately. The US was more cautious and waited for a few days to give Maduro the chance to publish the logs.

[KurtFF8]

Venezuela: CNE Turns Over Electoral Data to Supreme Court, US Walks Back González Recognition

[wat0n]

The US recognized González as the winner of the election, he's not been recognized as President for the simple reason that he has not been sworn in as such.

[KurtFF8]

The US recognized González as the winner of the election, he's not been recognized as President for the simple reason that he has not been sworn in as such.

As I posted above, the US has walked this rhetoric back (largely due to their lack of evidence of course)

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 89549.html

In a call with reporters Tuesday, a senior State Department official did not say why. But his answers signaled that the reluctance to officially recognize Gonzalez as president-elect was linked to the possibility of negotiations between Maduro and the opposition facilitated by Brazil, Mexico and Colombia.

[wat0n]

You do realize, @KurtFF8, Brazil, Mexico and Colombia do not recognize the result and are negotiating a way out for Maduro, right?