[Truth To Power]

Being "willing to be sexually assaulted" is an oxymoron, @Truth To Power

Nope. I've seen it.

[Truth To Power]

Amazing. You couldn't even go a single full sentence before calling into question your own daughters' judgment instead of denouncing the character of the scumbags you're defending here.

You are makin' $#!+ up again. My daughters aren't hanging around Trump or Tate -- whom I have not defended -- because they are at least that astute in judging character.

[Truth To Power]

Am I? These are your exact words:

(emphasis mine)

I guess you are not familiar with the multiple usages of "only." Maybe English is not your first language?

[Truth To Power]

Your opinion of the personal lives of others is irrelevant to the debate.

Not when it prompts their comments.

There are many problems with your argument that self esteem issues in young women is solely due to hormones.

Strawman. Inevitably.

First of all, you made the bizarre and unnecessary claim that this does not happen to males.

False.

Secondly, it is easy to find evidence of things like economic security and family warmth having a positive effect on self esteem for young women (and male teens for that matter).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7080605/

Keep beating those strawmen...

Family support can also reduce the incidence of depression:
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... tal_health

Kids deserve our best. We should refrain from dismissing self esteem problems as hormone issues that we can not have an effect on.

We should be realistic about the causes of behavior problems, and not dismiss biological explanations for ideological reasons.

[ingliz]

His professional kickboxing career, during which he won multiple world championships.

The IKSA runs a semi-professional league for karate exponents who want to try their hand at kickboxing. Winning a 'World Champion' title given by that organisation is considered a joke in kickboxing circles. He didn't make his money kickboxing as there is no money to be made as a middle-ranking fighter.

[wat0n]

Nope. I've seen it.

When did you see it?

It's an oxymoron because sexual assault is nonconsensual.

[Saeko]

You are makin' $#!+ up again. My daughters aren't hanging around Trump or Tate -- whom I have not defended -- because they are at least that astute in judging character.

I believe that you believe that.

[Rich]

So there are different levels on which one can defend someone.

1 In very crude and simplistic terms because you think they are a good person..

2 Because although you don't don't think they are a good person, you think they they have the potential to be a significant force for good.

3 Although you don't think they are a good person, or a force for good, you still wish to defend them, in terms of ensuring that they are only convicted of things where it is proved beyond reasonable doubt. If we allow abuse of the law for bad people it opens the door to legal abuse and the taking away of rights of good and neutral people.

Donald Trump clearly fails level 1. He is not a good person. He is not someone I would take as a role model, neither would I encourage others to take him as a role model. However he passes level 2. His election in 2016, probably saved Syria's infidels from genocide, if Hilary had got in. I think the election of Trump in 2024 could save us from a direct war with Russia.

Andrew Tate fails all 3 levels. He is not a good person and he is not a force for good. Now maybe, just maybe, he is 100% consensual in all his interactions with women. Maybe much of what he says is just bravado, is just an act. However I don't have a problem with the law taking its full course upon him. If he gets convicted on the basis of what he had said, rather than on what he has proven to have done so be it. While I'm generally pretty hard line on free speech, I don't think its unreasonable that his words should be taken at face value and he should suffer consequences for them.

However we should not pretend that women haven't played a huge role in enabling the Tate brothers. If there is so much toxic masculinity around, it only exists because of toxic femininity. Tate only has so many male followers because he has been so successful in getting women to consort with him, work for him and flatter him.

[Pants-of-dog]

Not when it prompts their comments.

Strawman. Inevitably.

False.

Keep beating those strawmen...

We should be realistic about the causes of behavior problems, and not dismiss biological explanations for ideological reasons.

None of this is an argument.

Now, the evidence clearly shows that hormone changes can cause depression and other mental health disorders, but you did not provide any evidence showing a direct link between puberty and loss of self esteem in girls without mental health issues.

We also saw evidence showing that adolescent self esteem is affected by a myriad of things, including many non-biological factors.

And we saw evidence that both boys and girls are affected.

So if you now have a new argument, present it. Your old one has been refuted.

[wat0n]

I'm still waiting for @Pants-of-dog to share peer-reviewed research showing lack of self-steam leads middle aged men to harass young girls.

If he does not, I assume he speaks from personal experience since it takes one to know one.

Are there parts of your past you may wish to share with us?

[Truth To Power]

When did you see it?

It's an oxymoron because sexual assault is nonconsensual.

Wrong again. Google "consensual non-consent." Don't say I didn't warn you.

[wat0n]

Wrong again. Google "consensual non-consent." Don't say I didn't warn you.

Oh come on, that's role play. It is still not sexual assault.

[Pants-of-dog]

Wrong again. Google "consensual non-consent." Don't say I didn't warn you.

Are you talking about role playing?

If so, then the lack of consent in those situations is pretend. It is imaginary.

[Saeko]

However we should not pretend that women haven't played a huge role in enabling the Tate brothers. If there is so much toxic masculinity around, it only exists because of toxic femininity. Tate only has so many male followers because he has been so successful in getting women to consort with him, work for him and flatter him.

Do you similarly ascribe collective guilt to men in general for the crimes of any one of them? When a gangrape occurs, do you think to yourself, "Holy shit! What the fuck is it with men?"

However we should not pretend that women haven't played a huge role in enabling the Tate brothers.

Men, as always, are completely blameless here in the crimes of these men supported by millions of men.

If there is so much toxic masculinity around, it only exists because of toxic femininity.

Men bad because women made them do it!

Tate only has so many male followers because he has been so successful in getting women to consort with him, work for him and flatter him.

Or maybe he has so many male followers because those shit-for-brains will follow any loser who tells them what they want to hear as they repeatedly and demonstrably do.

[Truth To Power]

Are you talking about role playing?

If so, then the lack of consent in those situations is pretend. It is imaginary.

The assault isn't. Which is kinda the point.

[Pants-of-dog]

The assault isn't. Which is kinda the point.

This is not an argument either.

It is not even complete sentences.

Please write complete and clear arguments, or do not be surprised when people think you are saying something other than what you mean.

[wat0n]

The assault isn't. Which is kinda the point.

Eeehh it actually is, since both parties are consenting to role playing.

[Rancid]

We have people here defending Tate?

I'm sure it correlates with MAGA support.

[Potemkin]

We have people here defending Tate?

I'm sure it correlates with MAGA support.

In @Godstud’s case, it does. I dunno what happened to that guy. His brain seems to be going soft or something.

[Godstud]

@Potemkin I can critically think, and you are in an echo chamber. Insults only demonstrate your lack of a cogent argument. I guess anyone who disagrees with you gets called names. How mature.