[JohnRawls]

Since the IDF and Israeli government have suffered no negative consequences at all during this entire war, it would seem that my mind is right,



We do not have to speculate on what they are going to do.

We are watching it in real time: killing as many Palestinians as they can. Taking as much land as they can.

Why would:they help,Palestinians?

Again, you ignoring that the retaliation was justified, Israel got attacked after all and people died.

Now having said that there weren't any consequences or much consequences because all thought that this is going to end by now. It didn't, Israel went overboard, now are the consequences coming in and they will get worse if Israel doesn't present a political solution. Recognition of Palestine by some is a warning for now but it will get worse if Israel doesn't present anything.

We all know that you support one side irrelevant of anything but literally any country would retaliate in the situation of Israel and Hamas if they would be in place of Israel with the same force disparity. The question was always how far would Israel go and to what end. We still don't know to what end and they definitely went too far.

[Pants-of-dog]

...., now are the consequences coming in and they will get worse if Israel doesn't present a political solution. ....

What negative consequences have there been for Israel?

[JohnRawls]

What negative consequences have there been for Israel?

Recognition of other countries of Palestine that didn't exist before. They recognise Palestinian borders of xxxx year not sure which one if you didn't understand.

[Pants-of-dog]

Recognition of other countries of Palestine that didn't exist before. They recognise Palestinian borders of xxxx year not sure which one if you didn't understand.

That seems more like a symbolic gesture than an actual problem for Israel.

[QatzelOk]

Polio vaccines are coming to children in Gaza.
What road awaits them?

... Now more than 1.2 million oral polio vaccines have arrived in the Gaza Strip, with millions more expected in coming days. The aim is to vaccinate about 640,000 children under the age of 10 with two doses each.

A plan is in place to access the territory and distribute them — all while keeping the vials in the vital temperature range of 2 to 8 degrees Celsius (36 to 46 degrees Fahrenheit).

Still, there are huge challenges ahead to administer the vaccines. ...

Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, which manages the flow of aid into Gaza, previously said that local and international medical teams would administer vaccines to unvaccinated children in Gaza “in the coming days” and would coordinate with the Israeli military to use “humanitarian pauses that will allow the population to reach the medical centers where the vaccinations will be administered.” ...

So the Israeli military - in the middle of a genocide - will allow vaccines to be injected into the arms of children that they will soon bury in rubble.

Am I missing something here?

"The genocide will be put on pause so that an international agency can inject your soon-to-be-crushed children with something safe-and-effective."

For real?

[wat0n]

Or maybe there's no genocide at all. Just saying.

[QatzelOk]

Or maybe there's no genocide at all. Just saying.

No, it's just another "dig those children from under the rubble so that we can inject it with healthy substances" type of thing.

The fact that the billionaires are trying desperately to destroy Telegram, tictoc and any other media that isn't controlled by Club Genocide... means that public ignorance is all that can save their scams.

You are a huge promoter of public ignorance, because the public would fight against genocide if aware that it is happening.

Isrealis have been scared shitless by their own government, just like the early colonists were in the USA. Scared shitless so that they would consent to genocide.

[Rich]

Is Israel going to do the same as they always did and retreat or are they going to do something new and actually help Palestine build a functioning state and democracy while obviously applying limitation on who can run in the elections at least for now.

You want Israel to have a veto over who runs their bantustans in the same way that the South African government had a veto over who ran their bantustans. This so called Palestine state will never be more than a group of glorified bantustans, that Israel will always require to be run by an uncle Tom government. The problem is that an Uncle Tom government will always require outside intervention to stop it being overthrown.

The only solution is to give back most of Gaza to Egypt and most of the West Bank to Jordan.

[JohnRawls]

You want Israel to have a veto over who runs their bantustans in the same way that the South African government had a veto over who ran their bantustans. This so called Palestine state will never be more than a group of glorified bantustans, that Israel will always require to be run by an uncle Tom government. The problem is that an Uncle Tom government will always require outside intervention to stop it being overthrown.

The only solution is to give back most of Gaza to Egypt and most of the West Bank to Jordan.

Egypt doesn't want Gaza or the Gazans. Israel already tried that.

[Pants-of-dog]

The Israeli government did not try to give Gaza to Egypt.

They, with the IDF, trued to force Gaza’s refugees into Egypt. Egypt refused because this would have meant that Egypt helped the Israeli government and the IDF to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Note that under Israeli law, any Palestinian refugee who leaves Palestine (because of the war or any ither reason) cannot return.

[wat0n]

^ Quote that law.

No, it's just another "dig those children from under the rubble so that we can inject it with healthy substances" type of thing.

The fact that the billionaires are trying desperately to destroy Telegram, tictoc and any other media that isn't controlled by Club Genocide... means that public ignorance is all that can save their scams.

You are a huge promoter of public ignorance, because the public would fight against genocide if aware that it is happening.

Isrealis have been scared shitless by their own government, just like the early colonists were in the USA. Scared shitless so that they would consent to genocide.

Vaccinating children for polio is a good thing, actually.

And it does not suggest genocide either.

[Pants-of-dog]

It was the IDF and the Israeli government that have created the conditions for polio, and are maintaining said conditions.

The deliberate and systematic attack on water resources and sewage systems was bound to spread disease.

[wat0n]

The conditions for the spread of polio were created by Hamas when it started this war, and then decided to use Gazan cities as rocket launching pads and arms storages.

Providing such relief to Gazans is a good thing.

[Pants-of-dog]

It was not Hamas soldiers planting bombs in the water treatment centers.

It has already been admitted that the IDF were either deliberately bombing the installation even though Hamas was not there, or were working with Hamas, since they were free to place bombs as they wished.

The argument seems to be that since Hamas attacked on October 7, any all measures in retribution are justified, legal, and moral.

[wat0n]

What incident are you referring to again?

One that was done against IDF orders since it was carried out without consulting senior commanders?

Or you mean some other incident where the IDF e.g. destroyed tunnels and military infrastructure and incidentally destroyed water infrastructure?

[Pants-of-dog]

The soldiers of the 401st Brigade of the IDF Armored Corps blew up the main water reservoir in Rafah.

They did it with the knowledge of their immediate superiors. They placed a video on social media with the caption: “Destruction of the Tel Sultan water reservoir in honour of Shabbat,”

As of the writing of the Haaretz article, the army was still deciding whether or not to do anything about it.

Without adequate potable drinking water, people are forced to drink unsanitary water.

This is why there is polio in Gaza now.

[wat0n]

Yet they lacked the appropriate permission according to IDF rules of engagement

The Israeli army is investigating suspicions of a violation of international law by its troops who blew up a main water reservoir serving the city of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.

The reservoir, in Rafah's Tel Sultan neighborhood, was destroyed last week with the approval of the commander of the soldiers, who belong to the 401st Brigade of the Armored Corps, but without the approval of senior officers from the IDF Southern Command.

Given this is fairly recent, I don't expect any updates soon.

[Pants-of-dog]

The initial claim was that this lack of water was due to Hamas.

Now we see that the bombs were deliberately placed by the IDF with knowledge of officers.

And the army is investigating the suspicions. It is not reprimanding the soldiers in any way.

It is incorrect to claim this was the fault of Hamas.

Note that this happened shortly before the first case of polio showed up in children of Gaza. With the scientific evidence of how polio is transmitted through dirty water, there is a clear causative chain between the IDF bombing and the polio.

[wat0n]

Both can be true.

Soldiers can have acted against orders, and the damage to civilians - including water infrastructure - can still be largely due to Hamas using Gaza's cities as arms depots and rocket launchers.

Also, there's no evidence connecting the Rafah reservoir with a polio case in central Gaza.

[Pants-of-dog]

It is possible that Hamas is partly responsible. There has been no evidence presented to think so, but the possibility exists.

On the other hand:

https://fxb.harvard.edu/2024/04/09/pres ... ot-random/

BOSTON, MA – A new study reveals that more than half of healthcare, education, and water facilities were damaged by Israeli attacks between October 7th and November 22nd, 2023, across all five governorates in the Gaza Strip, according to researchers at Harvard University and their collaborators.

Using high-resolution satellite radar imagery to evaluate damage and open-source data maps to identify health, education, and water facilities, the authors used spatial analysis to overlap the damage affecting health, education and water facilities throughout the Gaza Strip during the study period.

“Our data shows that health, education, and water facilities in Gaza were not damaged in a random pattern, but rather that damage was highly clustered on these facilities,” said Yara M. Asi, PhD, Assistant Professor at the University of Central Florida and lead author of the study.

While damage was more extensive and concentrated in the northern Gaza Strip governorates, satellite analysis demonstrated significant destruction to civilian infrastructure in the southern governorates, where approximately half of the Gaza Strip population was ordered to flee on 12 October 2023. Damage was also noted along the demarcated civilian evacuation corridor of Salah Al-Din Street.

“This new article reveals with hard data the pattern that we have seen with our eyes over the past six months, that Israel has intentionally decimated civilian infrastructure in its attack on Gaza,” said Dr. Raz Segal, Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Stockton University. “The specific targeting of hospitals and the bombing of routes and areas designated as safe by the Israeli army,…together with statements from Israeli leaders that they are ‘rolling out Nakba 2024’ and that ‘Gaza will never go back to what it was,’ lends additional credence to the provisional ruling of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on 26 January 2024 that Israel is plausibly perpetrating genocide in its attack on Gaza.”