[Hakeer]

Trump voters in PA are fucking morons.

It’s not much different than the rest of the country — 47%. Same as the national number. These people are not all morons. Many of them, for different reasons, KNOW by now exactly what Trump brings to the table and they WANT it. It always annoys me when Obama or somebody says, “This is America. This is not who we are!” I always think, “Nope. This is who about half of us are.” Sad.

[Rancid]

It’s not much different than the rest of the country — 47%. Same as the national number. These people are not all morons. Many of them, for different reasons, KNOW by now exactly what Trump brings to the table and they WANT it. It always annoys me when Obama or somebody says, “This is America. This is not who we are!” I always think, “Nope. This is who about half of us are.” Sad.

47% of Americans are mouth breathing fucking morons.

[Hakeer]

47% of Americans are mouth breathing fucking morons.

I try to use words by English definition. A moron has VERY low intelligence. Many of the Trump voters have average or above-average intelligence. I have plenty of them in my extended family. That is not the root of the problem. Aside from the billionaire, most Trump voters are a mix people who fear immigrants, Evangelical anti-abortion, homophobia, anti-LGBQ, white supremacists, and FOX News viewers who think Kamala is a communist. Add them all together and you get 47%, but calling them all morons over-simplifies the issue.

[Rancid]

Aside from the billionaire, most Trump voters are a mix people who fear immigrants, Evangelical anti-abortion, homophobia, anti-LGBQ, white supremacists, and FOX News viewers who think Kamala is a communist.

Sure sounds like a bunch of fucking morons.

frascists, traitors, retards

[Hakeer]

Sure sounds like a bunch of fucking morons.

But here’s the thing, in the words of a great advertising copywriter, “Emotion vs. Intellect is a TKO in the first round.” Every con man knows that, too, and Trump is a master con man. Trump doesn’t appeal to intellect. He’s goes straight to emotions with lies to stir up fear and hate in his cult.

Whether we’re talking about politics, religion, love, etc., once you have a powerful emotional connection to a belief (or person), your brain will rationalize and dismiss any intellectual appeals based on facts and reason. This is true, even for people of otherwise normal intelligence. That’s what I am trying to explain.

[Rancid]

But here’s the thing, in the words of a great advertising copywriter, “Emotion vs. Intellect is a TKO in the first round.” Every con man knows that, too, and Trump is a master con man. Trump doesn’t appeal to intellect. He’s goes straight to emotions with lies to stir up fear and hate in his cult.

Whether we’re talking about politics, religion, love, etc., once you have a powerful emotional connection to a belief (or person), your brain will rationalize and dismiss any intellectual appeals based on facts and reason. This is true, even for people of otherwise normal intelligence. That’s what I am trying to explain.

Agree 100%, hence why I've stated, I could never be a politician or campaign worker. I'd just call everyone a bunch of fucking idiots.

I cannot bring myself into the gutter with spineless, principalless traitors like MAGA voters. They are scum. They very opposite of all the bullshit they claim they stand for. Fuck'em.

[Hakeer]

Agree 100%, hence why I've stated, I could never be a politician or campaign worker. I'd just call everyone a bunch of fucking idiots.

I cannot bring myself into the gutter with spineless, principalless traitors like MAGA voters. They are scum. They very opposite of all the bullshit they claim they stand for. Fuck'em.

We don’t need to go in the gutter with anyone. Just go to the ballot box and vote, and then to court to make sure our vote counts.

[drguitar]

As in many of these threads, it comes down to "Why is Donald Trump popular with anybody and why do those folks find him attractive?"

It is easy to point to Trump followers as "idiots" or "anti-USA" or "hypocrites", but that does not explain his initial popularity and his continued popularity. I've been trying to understand his following since before he came down the golden escalator. To me it looks like this.

DJT wants to be a "Top Dog", an "Alpha dog". And his conman demeanor has focused on this precise selling point of his perceived personality. The Apprentice allowed him to make decisions over other folks regularly. It posed him as the top dog. He could take any well known personality and belittle them by exclaiming "your fired!". It fits his self image perfectly, he wants to be the top dog and acts like it by belittling everyone who is not him. He ridiculed all other Republican Presidential contenders in 2015 and 2016; "Little Marco...etc". And as a top dog, he could say or do anything and the reporters would sniff his butt and report on it. In fact, the more crazy his actions and verbage, the more press he got, just like a top dog. And as an Alpha dog, all of the US was focused on him. That is how he got followers. Many were there just to see what this top dog would say or do next.

But just being a top dog is not enough, he had to tap into the feelings of many Americans. As we all know, the 1950s was a boom time; skyrocketing births, skyrocketing manufacturing, increasing take home pay, men had traditional male roles and women had traditional female roles. From a distance (time and space), US life looked ideal. Taxes on the Uber wealthy topped at 91% which allowed the government to build roads, strong infrastructure and huge armed forces. Again, from a distance, it looked ideal as the white man was in power in every aspect of society.

But it was not ideal and much of the population was not living an ideal life. Civil rights followed, women's rights followed, pollution (air, water and land) followed, traditional male/female roles were questioned and expanded, health costs skyrocketed, big cars got small, cancer and heart disease rates skyrocketed, the family unit became weaker as both parents needed to work just to get by. And a fair percentage of the US population found all the change anxiety producing, so they became frustrated and angry.

Trump tapped into this frustration and anger and gave that anger names like "immigrants", and "democrats", and "minorities", and "gun laws" and mostly "anyone who is not us". Finally, this portion of the US had a man who represented their anger. Anger became hate as hate is anger's finest point. It is not surprising that Trump followers are folks who are angry about the way the US has progressed in recent years. His followers are those who are angry about women with the choice to control their own bodies, those who are angry with folks who are choosing to be different from them, those who are angry with their financial deficits, those who are angry with those with differing religious beliefs and more. After all, the top dog Trump represents billionaire greed (lots of money), marrying models (3 broken marriages), aggressive anger and hate (how he treats anyone who is not him like John McCain, soldiers, teachers, intellectuals...etc), misogyny (what some folks would like to return to) and more that we left behind in the 1950s.

And that is why I believe that so many angry folks follow Trump like a cult. He is a loud voice (top dog) that represents them, their anger at change, their anger at the world. He represents what they would like to be, even if he is a horrible human being without morals. He represents their anger and hate toward all the monumental change that has happened in just the last two generations, and they want it to stop. Trump personally represents that anger and hate.

[Hakeer]

As in many of these threads, it comes down to "Why is Donald Trump popular with anybody and why do those folks find him attractive?"

It is easy to point to Trump followers as "idiots" or "anti-USA" or "hypocrites", but that does not explain his initial popularity and his continued popularity. I've been trying to understand his following since before he came down the golden escalator. To me it looks like this.

DJT wants to be a "Top Dog", an "Alpha dog". And his conman demeanor has focused on this precise selling point of his perceived personality. The Apprentice allowed him to make decisions over other folks regularly. It posed him as the top dog. He could take any well known personality and belittle them by exclaiming "your fired!". It fits his self image perfectly, he wants to be the top dog and acts like it by belittling everyone who is not him. He ridiculed all other Republican Presidential contenders in 2015 and 2016; "Little Marco...etc". And as a top dog, he could say or do anything and the reporters would sniff his butt and report on it. In fact, the more crazy his actions and verbage, the more press he got, just like a top dog. And as an Alpha dog, all of the US was focused on him. That is how he got followers. Many were there just to see what this top dog would say or do next.

But just being a top dog is not enough, he had to tap into the feelings of many Americans. As we all know, the 1950s was a boom time; skyrocketing births, skyrocketing manufacturing, increasing take home pay, men had traditional male roles and women had traditional female roles. From a distance (time and space), US life looked ideal. Taxes on the Uber wealthy topped at 91% which allowed the government to build roads, strong infrastructure and huge armed forces. Again, from a distance, it looked ideal as the white man was in power in every aspect of society.

But it was not ideal and much of the population was not living an ideal life. Civil rights followed, women's rights followed, pollution (air, water and land) followed, traditional male/female roles were questioned and expanded, health costs skyrocketed, big cars got small, cancer and heart disease rates skyrocketed, the family unit became weaker as both parents needed to work just to get by. And a fair percentage of the US population found all the change anxiety producing, so they became frustrated and angry.

Trump tapped into this frustration and anger and gave that anger names like "immigrants", and "democrats", and "minorities", and "gun laws" and mostly "anyone who is not us". Finally, this portion of the US had a man who represented their anger. Anger became hate as hate is anger's finest point. It is not surprising that Trump followers are folks who are angry about the way the US has progressed in recent years. His followers are those who are angry about women with the choice to control their own bodies, those who are angry with folks who are choosing to be different from them, those who are angry with their financial deficits, those who are angry with those with differing religious beliefs and more. After all, the top dog Trump represents billionaire greed (lots of money), marrying models (3 broken marriages), aggressive anger and hate (how he treats anyone who is not him like John McCain, soldiers, teachers, intellectuals...etc), misogyny (what some folks would like to return to) and more that we left behind in the 1950s.

And that is why I believe that so many angry folks follow Trump like a cult. He is a loud voice (top dog) that represents them, their anger at change, their anger at the world. He represents what they would like to be, even if he is a horrible human being without morals. He represents their anger and hate toward all the monumental change that has happened in just the last two generations, and they want it to stop. Trump personally represents that anger and hate.

Yet Trump (and all Republicans) will sellout the working class people they claim to represent with massive tax cuts and deregulations for billionaires. More than anything else, this accounts for the steep increase in the income/wealth inequality graph since 1980.

Trump now says he will cut the corporate tax rate to 15%.

[Yaqum]

This is good, very good.

[QatzelOk]

Yet Trump (and all Republicans) will sellout the working class people they claim to represent with massive tax cuts and deregulations for billionaires. More than anything else, this accounts for the steep increase in the income/wealth inequality graph since 1980.

Trump now says he will cut the corporate tax rate to 15%.

The Democrats will also sell out the voters, and do whatever billionaires ask them to do after being elected (or selected).

The choice is between two puppets of the banksters and the oligarchs. No one on earth cares who wins because they are all watching "the decline of the USA", not "the winner in 2024."

It's between a whore and a mafia thug... to see who gets to work for AIPAC for the next four years "doing jobs." And this will happen as the country sinks into an economic depression and maybe will be destroyed by the rest of the world.

The candidates are making the usual "promises" as they watch the demographic information to see what they need to say to move the numbers.

I will never vote to "move the numbers" in favor of one puppet or the other.

[Hakeer]

The Democrats will also sell out the voters, and do whatever billionaires ask them to do after being elected (or selected).

The choice is between two puppets of the banksters and the oligarchs. No one on earth cares who wins because they are all watching "the decline of the USA", not "the winner in 2024."

It's between a whore and a mafia thug... to see who gets to work for AIPAC for the next four years "doing jobs." And this will happen as the country sinks into an economic depression and maybe will be destroyed by the rest of the world.

The candidates are making the usual "promises" as they watch the demographic information to see what they need to say to move the numbers.

I will never vote to "move the numbers" in favor of one puppet or the other.

Follow the money. When Reagan came to office the marginal rate for billionaires was 70%. When he left, it was 28%. With G.W. Bush the top 1% had their taxes cut by an average of more than $500,000. Not to be outdone, Trump added another $2 trillion in tax cuts. Now he wants a 15% corporate tax rate.

Biden tax policy was not to cut billionaire taxes. On the contrary, he wants to increase taxes on anybody making over $400,000. Republicans have almost ALWAYS opposed any attempt to raise taxes on billionaires or regulate their corporations. Obama’s performance was a mixed bag. It could have been better, but he did manage to cut the top 1% income share from about 17% in 2007 to under 13% in 2013.

[SpecialOlympian]

Trump voters in PA are fucking morons.

They love Trump because they're either small business tyrants who think they'll be richer or they're glad Trump is talking about hordes of migrants raping their way through the country and reversing the Lee Atwater quote. The one that pretty much explains Republican policy for the past 6 decades. Every writer and podcast personality I've read or listened to who went to a Trump rally said the same thing: the audiences gets really animated when Trump starts talking about immigrants and the crimes they're doing.

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*****, N*****, N*****.” By 1968 you can’t say “N*****”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*****, N*****.”

Dying of Whiteness is an interesting read on this subject. The appeal of cutting social services to specifically hurt black people while simultaneously hurting white people.

This is a lot of rightwing politics. When people freak out about the existence of transgender folk and enact or talk about bathroom bills, it's actually ciswomen who get hurt more because they're a larger portion of the population. Whether you're a butch lesbian or just a woman who has short hair and doesn't present as someone's idea of stereotypically feminine, this line of thought empowers bigots to harass you. All the talk about keeping "men in dresses" out of bathrooms is just code for enforcing gender stereotypes and how women should present and behave themselves in public in accordance with a fucked up, regressive view of women as barefoot breeding machines.

[QatzelOk]

Follow the money. When Reagan came to office the marginal rate for billionaires was 70%. When he left, it was 28%. With G.W. Bush the top 1% had their taxes cut by an average of more than $500,000. Not to be outdone, Trump added another $2 trillion in tax cuts. Now he wants a 15% corporate tax rate...

Yes, the political class in the USA is dominated by prostitutes who "do jobs" for billionaires.

Ordinary Americans will be forced to starve when the country goes bankrupt, but the billionaires will have all the money in the country at some point.

Neither of the current fake-democracy-candidates will change this in the short or long-term. No wonder the winning candidate in most American elections is "didn't vote."

2020
Biden: 34% (won), Didn’t Vote: 33%, Trump: 31%

2016
Didn’t Vote: 40%, HRC: 29%, Trump: 28% (won)

2012
Didn’t Vote: 41%, Obama: 30% (won), Romeny: 28%

2008
Didn’t Vote: 38%, Obama: 33% (won), McCain: 28%

2004
Didn’t Vote: 40%, Bush: 31% (won), Kerry: 29%

2000
Didn’t Vote: 46%, Gore: 26.2%, Bush: 26% (won)

1996
Didn’t Vote: 48%, Clinton 25% (won), Dole: 21%, 3rd Parties 6%

1992
Didn’t Vote: 42%, Clinton: 25% (won), Bush: 22%, Perot 11%

1988
Didn’t Vote: 47%, Bush: 28% (won), Dukakis 24%

1984
Didn’t Vote: 47%, Reagan 31% (won), Mondale: 22%

1980
Didn’t Vote: 47%, Reagan: 26% (won), Carter: 22%, 3rd Parties: 5%

1976
Didn’t Vote: 46%, Carter: 27% (won), Ford 26%

[Hakeer]

Yes, the political class in the USA is dominated by prostitutes who "do jobs" for billionaires.

Ordinary Americans will be forced to starve when the country goes bankrupt, but the billionaires will have all the money in the country at some point.

Neither of the current fake-democracy-candidates will change this in the short or long-term. No wonder the winning candidate in most American elections is "didn't vote."

You only responded to the Republican half of what I posted. Domocrats have a different tax policy toward billionaires. Biden even in his state of Union speech and all through his presidency has wanted to increase taxes only on people with over $400,000 income.

You are correct that there are too many people like you who can’t see or acknowledge these obvious differences between the parties and, therefore, stay home and don’t vote. The billionaires are beatable, but we need more eligible voters to register and vote. I guarantee you that, if Bernie Sanders were president AND had a filibuster-proof Senate, it would be the worst nightmare for what Bernie calls “the billionaire class.”

[Rancid]

My next donation is going to Allred, fuck Cruz that dickless bitch that ran away during our winter storm. A Trump cuck.

[JohnRawls]

My next donation is going to Allred, fuck Cruz that dickless bitch that ran away during our winter storm. A Trump cuck.

You might get your wish. Allred vs Cruz is narrowing. It is still hard to say but Cheney Daughter and Father already endorsed Harris. Bush Jr is next probably. If that happens then Texas will probably become a battleground state.

So chances are, Texas might flip although it still depends on what happens. The debate, the rugpull that might happen or Bush Jr endorsing Harris...

[Hakeer]

They just had Ron Brownstein, senior editor for The Atlantic interviewed on CNN. He said Harris ran a “big gamble” not choosing “popular governor of Pennsylvania” as her VP. They are tied at 47% in PA. It is entirely possible that PA will come down to a few thousand votes and a shit storm of litigation, when she probably could have won it by 1-2% with Shapiro. It is inconceivable that Shapiro wouldn’t help her more than Walz in PA.

[Istanbuller]

You might get your wish. Allred vs Cruz is narrowing. It is still hard to say but Cheney Daughter and Father already endorsed Harris. Bush Jr is next probably. If that happens then Texas will probably become a battleground state.

So chances are, Texas might flip although it still depends on what happens. The debate, the rugpull that might happen or Bush Jr endorsing Harris...

FYI, Liz Cheney and Bush Jr has no ground in Republican Party of 2024. They are not respected figures in Republican Party.

Republicans are much more united behind Trump now than they were in the 2020 election.

If Trump wins popular vote, he will surely be next president of America. But even he loses popular vote like in 2016, he can still win presidency due to strong showing of Republicans in batteground states.

[Rancid]

Republicans are much more united behind Trump now than they were in the 2020 election.

Is that why Republicans secretly want Trump to lose? Including some that are outwardly "supporting" him?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07188.html

If Trump wins popular vote

OK, this is an EASY bet. He will 100% lose the popular vote. There is no question about that. No fucking question.

Are you REALLY that disconnected from reality?