[Rugoz]

Trump himself tolerated the rights of states to allow portions of their cities to become staging grounds for continuous BLM marches and protests after the George Floyd incident.

He even allowed Michigan and other locations to take draconian actions during COVID-19 that curtailed the rights of average Americans...

Where was the tyranny from Trump?

Esper and Milley worked hard to dissuade Trump from sending troops. That's a general theme of the Trump presidency. Trump was constrained by the people around him. He will surround himself with sycophants in his 2nd term.

Also, Trump announced it:

Calling New York City and Chicago “crime dens,” the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination told his audience, “The next time, I’m not waiting. One of the things I did was let them run it and we’re going to show how bad a job they do,” he said. “Well, we did that. We don’t have to wait any longer.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-milita ... 8c2dfb3c36

As usual, burying your head in the sand.

I do not even begin to understand the idea that you would think he could or would command the US military to brutalize regular Americans, lol, and that the US military would just go along with it... These are both insane suggestions, and you talk about them as if they are going to happen.

They won't be seen as "regular Americans", not by your side anyway. It would have to be an escalation of violence. For example, if Trump sent troops during the BLM protests. That said, I do think the US military refusing orders at some point is the more likely outcome. Or, as I suggested, the governors of the states. That by itself would constitute a serious crisis though.

The billionaire financiers, the collective media minus "faux news," the Deep State... You think all of these would be able to be outflanked by a single President who lost the popular vote but won the electoral cycle just arbitrarily deciding to suspend the Constitution?

Nah, never.

And where is the magical power of the "deep state" supposed to come from? If Congress refuses to impeach the POTUS and the military obeys his orders, the POTUS can do whatever the fuck he wants.

And that's not the only reason that he is not going to do it - he believes in the Bill of Rights.

Sure bro, for himself. Not for his "enemies", all of which he wants to throw in jail.

[JohnRawls]

Which economic ideas she failed to adequately hit on - she simply cited the idea that the "experts" disagree, while he talked about how his own economy was far better than the current one.

My gripe would be pointing out that the lockdowns and unlimited money for staying home probably had a lot to do with the inflation.

I think his ideas about tariffs are wonderful negotiating tools, and I am surprised he did not emphasize this.

As far as foreign policy goes, I've actually been shocked... I thought that it was a slog for the US to convince the world to go into Iraq, but then I realized in retrospect that it was not a matter of convincing much of anyone. The Ukraine war and the unconditional support for Israel are just things we do, and whichever party is out of power pretends to have reservations about it for a few months and then we are consolidated behind the Military Industrial Complex.

Nevermind I just watched the whole thing. Trump was a real fucking clown. Almost in every question he rambled. She destroyed him and baited him and he always took the bait and rambled. This was a catastrophy on national television.

The first snippets I saw weren't bad but as a whole if anybody watched Trump basically roasted himself.

Basically he was a clown.

[Hakeer]

Nevermind I just watched the whole thing. Trump was a real fucking clown. Almost in every question he rambled. She destroyed him and baited him and he always took the bait and rambled. This was a catastrophy on national television.

The first snippets I saw weren't bad but as a whole if anybody watched Trump basically roasted himself.

Basically he was a clown.

The only thing I care about in the debate is whether it changes the polling in PA, which was exactly tied 50/50 going into the debate, according to CNN poll.

Personally, I thought Trump did better than I was hoping he would do. My opinion counts for zero. I just want to see how likely voters in PA responded.

[wat0n]

I also think Trump did not do as bad as some claim. He seems to have stuck to the script.

I still believe he lost, his Ukraine response was poor and will definitely be seen as weak. And he cannot blame anyone else for that.

[Hakeer]

I also think Trump did not do as bad as some claim. He seems to have stuck to the script.

I still believe he lost, his Ukraine response was poor and will definitely be seen as weak. And he cannot blame anyone else for that.

Yeah, Harris wasted a lot of her time trying to bait him. Maybe he took a tranquilizer pill before the debate. Trump stupidest lie was Roe allowed live babies to be murdered. All except his dumbest supporters won’t believe that. His strategy was to fire out so many BS lies that she couldn’t answer them all. I thought it worked to some extent.

[Rancid]

The point of the debate wasn't to beat trump on policy or anything typical. People that care and pay attention to those things already know who to vote for. Sadly, this election cycle, the typical voter doesn't care about that. At this late in the game, it's basically about putting on a show (sadly)

The point for Harris was to show that morons on the fence that Trump is a fucking moron, and if they want to stop being morons, they probably shouldn't vote for Trump.

Simple. So I disagree, it was a good use of the time to bait Trump. Stop thinking like a smart person.

[wat0n]

Nah, trolling him was a good strategy. It doesn't help with MAGA voters but it helps with the undecided.

I just don't think Trump was as unhinged as he usually is.

[Rancid]

Nah, trolling him was a good strategy. It doesn't help with MAGA voters but it helps with the undecided.

I just don't think Trump was as unhinged as he usually is.

Right, agree. He really tried hard, was probably on a drug to help.

[Hakeer]

Nah, trolling him was a good strategy. It doesn't help with MAGA voters but it helps with the undecided.

I just don't think Trump was as unhinged as he usually is.

When she saw it wasn’t working as well as hoped, I think she should have shifted gears. But our opinions don’t count. In a few days, the new polls in PA will be out. Stay tuned.

[JohnRawls]

The point of the debate wasn't to beat trump on policy or anything typical. People that care and pay attention to those things already know who to vote for. Sadly, this election cycle, the typical voter doesn't care about that. At this late in the game, it's basically about putting on a show (sadly)

The point for Harris was to show that morons on the fence that Trump is a fucking moron, and if they want to stop being morons, they probably shouldn't vote for Trump.

Simple. So I disagree, it was a good use of the time to bait Trump. Stop thinking like a smart person.

There were two objectives going in to this:

1) For Harris to stand on equal footing to Trump. This must seem absurd but not really. The whole idea is for a new candidate to be on par or above a former President. This was always my minimalistic objective in mind before like 1 month ago and why Trump didn't agree to it straight away.

2) To make out Trump in to a clown that rambles. This was the maximalistic objective so to speak to sway the independents and undermine Trump with hesitant classical republicans. She obviously achieved even the maximalist objective.

Anyways as independent pollster show it 67 to 33 in favour of Harris.

[Agent Steel]

Now that the debate ended, Trump's answer on Ukraine was pathetically weak, sounded like a total bitch. Like Neville Chamberlain.

Trump position is to end the war in Ukraine. Harris' position is to keep it going.

Why is wanting to end war "pathetically weak"? If think war is a good thing, then you should be willing to fight yourself, or send your kids to die. If not, than THAT is what is pathetically weak.

[wat0n]

Trump position is to end the war in Ukraine. Harris' position is to keep it going.

Why is wanting to end war "pathetically weak"? If think war is a good thing, then you should be willing to fight yourself, or send your kids to die. If not, than THAT is what is pathetically weak.

Because Trump said the US should end the war because Putin has nukes, and the US isn't even a belligerent.

And Trump also did not even answer the question.

[JohnRawls]

Trump position is to end the war in Ukraine. Harris' position is to keep it going.

Why is wanting to end war "pathetically weak"? If think war is a good thing, then you should be willing to fight yourself, or send your kids to die. If not, than THAT is what is pathetically weak.

Because it encourages more aggression by Putin or XI and others in the future if nothing is done about it. You have to bash the face in of individuals who do not follow the rules/laws/morals and bash it in so hard at times that nobody would want to try it again especially with things like war. Its not like Putin or Xi or co understand words or agreements.

[Rancid]

Trump position is to end the war in Ukraine. Harris' position is to keep it going.

Why is wanting to end war "pathetically weak"? If think war is a good thing, then you should be willing to fight yourself, or send your kids to die. If not, than THAT is what is pathetically weak.

Bad faith trash.

How much is Russia paying you?

Or are you a Tim Pool dick sucker? I wonder how many Russian assets are on pofo. I mean, if these dipshits get to spout bullshit conspiracies about the deep state or whatever else, why can't I suggest these people are bought and paid for by the Russia state?

[Agent Steel]

@Rancid You recently said you would not continue ridiculing me, do you think you're honoring that pledge by what's you're saying now?

[Agent Steel]

Because it encourages more aggression by Putin or XI and others in the future if nothing is done about it. You have to bash the face in of individuals who do not follow the rules/laws/morals and bash it in so hard at times that nobody would want to try it again especially with things like war. Its not like Putin or Xi or co understand words or agreements.

What do you know about peacemaking and diplomacy? Why do we have to fight one war in order to prevent another? There was no war to begin with when Trump was in office, so he must have done something right.

Again, Harris' is a warmonger. If you want war, death, and bloodshed, vote Harris. I thought that virtuous, strong men created peace. Since when is trying to make peace a sign of weakness?

[JohnRawls]

What do you know about peacemaking and diplomacy? Why do we have to fight one war in order to prevent another? There was no war to begin with when Trump was in office, so he must have done something right.

Again, Harris' is a warmonger. If you want war, death, and bloodshed, vote Harris. I thought that virtuous, strong men created peace. Since when is trying to make peace a sign of weakness?

Trump is the whole reason the war started because he tried to be friends with dictators encouraging them to do shit from Kim "kill his people with hunger" to Putin "Steal his peoples money to live in a castle"....

Trump is undermining the position of the US in the world since like his 1st term by doing this shit. Making China more willing to take Hong Kong or Russia attack Ukraine.

Considering that US aid in total is like only 33% of total compared to Europe being 60% and the rest of the world being 7-10% what US has done is a disgrace honestly and in large thanks to Trump and his Maga clowns blocking aid etc etc etc.

[Deutschmania]

Bad faith trash.

How much is Russia paying you?

Or are you a Tim Pool dick sucker? I wonder how many Russian assets are on pofo. I mean, if these dipshits get to spout bullshit conspiracies about the deep state or whatever else, why can't I suggest these people are bought and paid for by the Russia state?

I am going to go out on a limb and state that if only Trump were to be as diplomatic , as it relates to the situation in Gaza , as he purports to be in regards to Ukraine , I would give him props . However , it seems to me that Donald Trump is being subjectively selective in what wars he chooses to further. I do feel that there needs to be a new Minsk Agreement , in order to ensure a stable peace treaty . The war has been going on with no end in sight , for quite some time now . And I suspect that this overture is merely a ploy by Trump to attract gullible peace activists to his side , especially given what @JohnRawls has posted on the subject , most notably the quote from Caitlyn Johnstone . Though to be so hoodwinked , such people would have to overlook not only the aggression in Gaza , but also the intended repression here in the United States , upon such dissidents as I . This is why , a sizable number of Communists in the United States will be strategically voting for Kamala Harris , no matter what such so called MAGA Communists advocate . Although , with that being said , I do concur with both Jill Stein , and Cornel West , on the issue. The Democratic party is not wrong in being concerned that in the end those like me might still swing our support to Jill Stein , as a matter of principle, now that she's on the ballot in most states . As I have posted before here , I don't want to compromise my conscience , out of a sense of self interest , no matter how enlightened, by voting blue no matter who. And if Kamala Harris neglects to put forward a good faith peace proposal , she just might lose potential votes , most critically in a number of key swing states. So yeah , I'm anti-Trump , yet also anti-war , which will tend to get me hated by all sides .


https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/11/trump-ukraine-foreign-policy-approach-00178595

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/despite-ukraine-s-incursion-putin-says-he-s-willing-to-talk-peace/ar-AA1q3tEH

https://www.newsweek.com/cornel-west-blames-nato-russias-war-ukraine-1812320


https://www.thebulwark.com/p/useful-idiot-for-putin-russia-dnc-jill-stein-green-party

[JohnRawls]

I am going to go out on a limb and state that if only Trump were to be as diplomatic , as it relates to the situation in Gaza , as he purports to be in regards to Ukraine , I would give him props . However , it seems to me that Donald Trump is being subjectively selective in what wars he chooses to further. I do feel that there needs to be a new Minsk Agreement , in order to ensure a stable peace treaty . The war has been going on with no end in sight , for quite some time now . And I suspect that this overture is merely a ploy by Trump to attract gullible peace activists to his side , especially given what @JohnRawls has posted on the subject , most notably the quote from Caitlyn Johnstone . Though to be so hoodwinked , such people would have to overlook not only the aggression in Gaza , but also the intended repression here in the United States , upon such dissidents as I . This is why , a sizable number of Communists in the United States will be strategically voting for Kamala Harris , no matter what such so called MAGA Communists advocate . Although , with that being said , I do concur with both Jill Stein , and Cornel West , on the issue. The Democratic party is not wrong in being concerned that in the end those like me might still swing our support to Jill Stein , as a matter of principle, now that she's on the ballot in most states . As I have posted before here , I don't want to compromise my conscience , out of a sense of self interest , no matter how enlightened, by voting blue no matter who. And if Kamala Harris neglects to put forward a good faith peace proposal , she just might lose potential votes , most critically in a number of key swing states. So yeah , I'm anti-Trump , yet also anti-war , which will tend to get me hated by all sides .


https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/11/trump-ukraine-foreign-policy-approach-00178595

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/despite-ukraine-s-incursion-putin-says-he-s-willing-to-talk-peace/ar-AA1q3tEH

https://www.newsweek.com/cornel-west-blames-nato-russias-war-ukraine-1812320


https://www.thebulwark.com/p/useful-idiot-for-putin-russia-dnc-jill-stein-green-party

You are being swayed by propaganda to get Trump elected by swinging democratic votes to 3rd parties basically.

[Rancid]

Now is not a time to sober.