[Pants-of-dog]

Sure, but in this case its 100% true.

No.

You have yet to explain why cops are allowed to hassle anyone wearing a keffiyeh..

You have yet to explain why Israel refuses Palestinian right of return.

You have yet to explain why the IDF can try children in kangaroo courts.

You have yet to explain why investing in a company that makes bombs that kill Palestinian kids is moral.

All of these are legal. All of these are problems.

And had Nazi Germany followed the international law created in a post-1945 world like we live in now the Jewish holocaust wouldn't have happened and WWII wouldn't have happened. Russia invading Ukraine wouldn't have happened either, the examples are endless.

The Nazis also followed international law at the time, by the way.

Let us know why a group of students should be able to occupy university property that doesn't belong to them and segregate the student population at their whim just because they're upset about an issue. Your argument so far is "feelings".

Because this is a common protest tactic that usually does not include such violent police repression.

The argument that universities should divest from Israeli businesses is nonsense and discriminatory. There are no calls to divest from any other countries yet many countries have dubious human rights records. School investments becoming political opens an endless can of worms. If the students don't like it they can go to another university.

There were many calls to divest from SA.

There are many calls to divest from China.

There are actual sanctions against Russia, as there were against Iraq.

Economic isolation of pariah states is a normal thing.

And this idea that we should police consumer choices and punish anyone who refuses to trade with certain people is weird. It seems like you are arguing that people shoukd have the freedom to trade with Israel, but not have the freedom to not trade with Israel.

[wat0n]

Last time I checked, most universities forbid taking over their property in their statutes and they will call the police if that happens. Thankfully so, too.

[Pants-of-dog]

One person’s lack of knowledge and experience is not an argument.

If the argument is that these protests are significantly more violent than others, that would need to be shown.

[wat0n]

They have certainly featured more antisemitism against students than others.

[Pants-of-dog]

I see that the goalposts have changed.

That implies that the protests are not any more violent than other protests.

[wat0n]

No, the goalposts have not changed.

It is true these protests are featuring open antisemitism against students as documented by Columbia itself. Just because you agree with such antisemitism and find it good it doesn't make it false, @Pants-of-dog

As for acts of violence on campus, you could answer that question yourself. These seem to be the most violent protests since the Vietnam War protests.

[Pants-of-dog]

Unless antisemitism is a legal reason for police repression to be significantly higher than with other protests, this is just another example of the same ad hominem that has been spammed all over this thread.

Since it is not, the police repression is significant and unprecedented for this level of protest.

[wat0n]

Is police repression higher than in past protests? Show your evidence.

[Pants-of-dog]

I already provided an example of an anti-Covid protest in Alberta that blocked a major highway with no police involvement.

In fact, the Covid protests (which were actual threats to human life) resulted in about a hundred arrests including all the trucker convoy arrests.

[wat0n]

What does a protest in a highway have to do with protests inside colleges? If you want to talk about repression of any sort of protests, at least in the US, college protests in general are hardly the most repressed ones.

Will you substantiate your claim now?

[Pants-of-dog]

If college protests in general are hardly the most repressed ones, then the repression shown against the anti-genocide protesters on campuses is even more problematic.

[wat0n]

No, it's not. It hasn't even been a big deal.

Just comparing to the Floyd protests it really hasn't, for instance.

[Pants-of-dog]

The BLM protests involved about 20 000 000 people. 14 000 were arrested.

For the rate of arrests to be similar, the anti-genocide protests would need to involve about 3 million protesters, simce about 2 000 were arrested. There are 19 million college students in the USA. About 8% of students were involved. 19 x 0.08=1.52 million.

This means the rate of arrest for the anti-genocide protests is about twice that of the BLM protests.

[wat0n]

How many pro-Palestine protesters have been killed on campus by the police or the state national guards?

[Pants-of-dog]

So there is no argument about the rate of arrests being very high.

Like there was no argument about why Brown is being accused of antisemitism.

[wat0n]

Weird, I would think killings are actually violence. Arrests for breaking the law are not.

Well, if we want to consider the killings of protesters then one can't just ignore the example of Paul Kessler, who was killed by a pro-Palestine protester (who's also a college professor).

[Pants-of-dog]

The death of Mr. Kessler was unintentional.

The police repression against protesters is intentional.

And as I claimed, it is disproportionate to the protests, which are not any more violent than normal.

[wat0n]

And yet Kessler was killed by a pro-Palestine protester and no pro-Palestine protesters have been killed by cops.

Yet it seems @Pants-of-dog cares more about the arrest of law-breaking pro-Palestine leftists than them killing Jews.

[Pants-of-dog]

That seems like a deliberate attempt to confuse unlike issues in order to muddy the debate.

It can be ignored.

Now, what is antisemitic about Brown’s divestment plans?

[wat0n]

I'm not confusing anything.

It is fact no pro-Palestine protesters have been killed by police and it is also a fact pro-Palestine protesters have in fact killed others.

Based on this alone it's not hard to conclude pro-Palestine protesters have been more violent than cops.