[MadMonk]

The ICTY's prosecutor found that the NATO bombing of Serbia's RTS TV station in 1999 was legal because it was an attack on Serbia's C3 network (specifically, the TV station was used to coordinate Serbian air defenses) despite it killing 10-17 civilians and wounding several others.

In comparison, almost all casualties have been part of Hezbollah and less civilians have been killed than in Serbia as far as I'm aware. And the attack was seemingly larger in scope too, since a larger part of the network was destroyed than in Serbia.

The ICTY OTP didn't even try to prosecute anyone in NATO.

Yeah, most of the people here criticizing Israel's retro electronic warfare antics are also going to criticize NATO, its mission in former Yoguslavia in particular.

I'm taking the more nuanced approach. In comparison to other bombings performed by the Israelies lately, this has to be better than leveling a dozen high-rise buildings, killing scores of women and children. Progress or merely teaching a cannibal to eat with a knife and fork? Can't it be both?

[ingliz]

@wat0n

Are you now arguing that Hamas's operation was not a terrorist attack? They too killed and injured only a handful of civilians.

Reserve Duty: Upon completion of compulsory service, each soldier is assigned to a reserve unit and may serve up to the age of 51.

[Skynet]

The only people who were in possession of such pagers and walkie talkies were active members of the terrorist organisation... Oh, and also apparently the Iranian Ambassador.

The correct term is militia.

Israel is losing the war 500'000 have left the country and 40% thinks about leaving the country.

Sad the groups can not live together

[JohnRawls]

@JohnRawls

If Hezbollah had placed explosives and shot in civilian devices imported to Israel would you be saying the same?

Would you be applauding 3,000 injured Jews?


@Ter

Hezbollah's military units are no different to the IDF or any other army. They are uniformed and wear insignia when on duty.

In the '70s, when I served in the British Army, we were encouraged (It wasn't quite an order but close enough) not to wear our uniforms when off-duty.

If they attacked the Israeli military or intelligence in the same way then obviously no. This is as targeted and as no collateral damage as you get.

[Rich]

Now I know a lot of Liberals are going to say we have total trust in the Jews. The Jews / Israelite's have been completely innocent for over 3000 years, they have never ever abused their power unlike all the examples of evil gentiles. So a lot of Liberals are going to say I have absolutely no problem with walking around, with an explosively boobey trapped electronic device, as long as that device is controlled by Mossad. If I don't commit evil against the Jews then I have nothing to fear.

What would be terrible is if evil neo nazi hate mongers started creating fear and disinformation against the Brands, manufacturers, distributors and shipping agents that have knowingly or unknowingly collaborated with Mossad. In fact one way consumers cans how solidarity with Israel is by buying products with the "Mossad Inside" logo.

[wat0n]

@wat0n

Are you now arguing that Hamas's operation was not a terrorist attack? They too killed and injured only a handful of civilians.

Reserve Duty: Upon completion of compulsory service, each soldier is assigned to a reserve unit and may serve up to the age of 51.

797 civilians, representing 2/3 of the death toll, are not a "handful of civilians" and the footage shows they were the target.

It seems you have no arguments so you just have to make your facts up

@MadMonk I don't doubt they are going to criticize NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia, unfortunately for them however the ICTY was an UN tribunal and its prosecutor did not even try to argue the bombing was criminal. There's strong precedent supporting Israel here.

[ingliz]

@wat0n

Israel published a list of 1,400 casualties killed on October 7th and it turns out most of them are soldiers. Their ranks are listed alongside their name: Corporal, Sergeant, Major, Captain, Lieutenant Colonel, etc.

You argued they were IDF reservists for the most part and not actively killing Palestinians so they shouldn't count.

But oddly you don't make a similar distinction between Hezbollah operatives that are actively killing Israelis and those that are not.

Why the inconsistency?

[wat0n]

@ingliz oh so you're just trolling then, and in any event the figures I cited are Israeli. Not sure about whatever nonsense you made up, but in any event Hezbollah is claiming its own dead were actively involved in the operations of its military wing and publishing their names and photos as such.

Are you done with it?

[KurtFF8]

I am certainly not surprised to see an October 7 massacre supporter like yourself whine about a rather precise attack against Hezbollah's C3 network. Again, it's not about "what" but "who".

Not only are you lying here, but this has nothing to do with October 7th. A non response by you because you know that you look bad by defending terrorism.

Terrorists getting their hands and balls blown off is not a terrorist act. If you didn't notice they don't wear any insignia and hide within the population. Classic terrorist organisation of cowards.

Don't you find it odd that you claim to be opposed to terrorists while you're defending a literal act of terrorism?

[ingliz]

@wat0n

Are you saying all those Israeli citizens killed on Oct. 7 who were over the mandatory call-up age of 18 to 51 were medically or mentally unfit and exempt from compulsory military and reservist service?

[wat0n]

Not only are you lying here, but this has nothing to do with October 7th. A non response by you because you know that you look bad by defending terrorism.

Hezbollah has been shelling Israeli territory since October 8th in support of Hamas.

Israel then announced, just a few hours before the detonation of the devices, it had added the return of its northern citizens to their homes as a war aim.

This has everything to do with October 7th.

Also, leftists defend terrorism all the time.

@wat0n

Are you saying all those Israeli citizens killed on Oct. 7 who were over the mandatory call-up age of 18 to 51 were medically or mentally unfit and exempt from compulsory military and reservist service?

I will note that Hezbollah itself has claimed that 38 of its own men have been killed while on active duty since Tuesday. According to Lebanon's Health Ministry, only 5 were killed while directly fighting Israeli forces.

At least 38 Hezbollah members have been killed since Tuesday afternoon, the group says, the deadliest period for the group since the Israel-Hamas war began on October 7.

The Iran-backed militants did not provide details on the specific circumstances of the deaths or whether they were caused by the communication device explosions or occurred on the battlefield.

But given Lebanon’s health ministry has announced five battlefield deaths since Tuesday – unrelated to the wireless device attacks and normally indicating the death of Hezbollah fighters — that points to a total of 33 Hezbollah fighters being killed in the attacks targeting wireless devices.

There has been no official confirmation of the number of Hezbollah fighters killed in the explosions, which hit pagers and walkie-talkies.

Lebanon’s health ministry has said 37 people were killed in the attacks, and does not distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Health Minister Firass Abiad said Thursday that 25 people were killed and 608 injured in Wednesday’s blasts targeting walkie-talkies, and the ministry has put the death toll from Tuesday’s pager explosions at 12.

It seems you really like making your own reality up, but you're a poor liar just like you're a poor lawyer

[Skynet]

Netanyahu will rather sacrifice Israel but not go to jail on corruption charges:

For Israel a further front could open:

[JohnRawls]

Netanyahu will rather sacrifice Israel but not go to jail on corruption charges:

For Israel a further front could open:

You are not wrong on Natanyahu part.

[KurtFF8]

Hezbollah has been shelling Israeli territory since October 8th in support of Hamas.

Israel then announced, just a few hours before the detonation of the devices, it had added the return of its northern citizens to their homes as a war aim.

This has everything to do with October 7th.

Try again https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1837025861708447779

Israel has, as usual, been the aggressor here.

Also ironic that you feel that a "return of citizens to an area where violence disrupted their lives" justifies terrorist attacks. It seems your posts against militant groups are mostly just projection.

Also, leftists defend terrorism all the time.

Why do you have to lie so much instead of just engaging with actual arguments?

[wat0n]

Try again https://x.com/jasonhickel/status/1837025861708447779

Israel has, as usual, been the aggressor here.

Also ironic that you feel that a "return of citizens to an area where violence disrupted their lives" justifies terrorist attacks. It seems your posts against militant groups are mostly just projection.

Why don't you show the number of attacks before October 7th?

Also, it is not terrorism to kill terrorists and disrupt their C3 network - as supported by international precedent.

Why do you have to lie so much instead of just engaging with actual arguments?

Leftist defense for terrorism shouldn't even be controversial

Pick any Marxist terrorist group, leftists will defend it.

[Deutschmania]

The funeral was over almost as soon as it began. Women did not linger in their lamentations but marched directly alongside the pallbearers to bury the body. An overzealous Hezbollah staff member did not wait for them to finish before pulling the picture of their fallen comrade off the martyr’s shrine, eager to pack up. Ten minutes later, the crowd dispersed, filtering out past the ad hoc army checkpoints set up for the occasion in the southern Beirut neighbourhood.

The funeral – a far cry from the usual 90-minute long ceremonies to honour the Shia militia’s deceased – was one of dozens held across Lebanon on Thursday. One after the other, Hezbollah had issued a steady stream of funerary announcements as the death toll mounted from the operation, probably Israeli in origin, that blew up pagers and walkie-talkies on Tuesday and Wednesday. In total, 42 were killed and almost 3,500 wounded by the blasts, according to Lebanon’s ministry of health.

Attenders who came out to honour the dead did so warily, the explosions that interrupted another Beirut funeral just the day before still fresh in their minds.

“My friend’s father lost his eyes in the blasts. We’ve never seen an attack like this, everyone was shocked,” Saeed, a 25-year-old driving instructor, said. He had been just metres away from an explosion at a funeral in Beirut a day prior.

An hour after the burial, Hassan Nasrallah, spoke, his first appearance since the pager attacks. Israeli warplanes carried out a series of airstrikes in Lebanon’s south, targeting what the Israeli military said were “Hezbollah targets”.

The leader appeared tired and his tone was soft – a sharp contrast to his last appearance on 25 August, when he claimed victory for the group’s wide-ranging drone and missile barrage on northern Israel.

“There is no doubt that we have been exposed to a major security and humanitarian blow that is unprecedented in the history of the resistance in Lebanon,” Nasrallah said during his Thursday speech. However, he insisted the attack “would not bring us down” and vowed to continue fighting until a ceasefire in Gaza was achieved.

As Nasrallah spoke, a rumbling grew steadily louder, starting in the country’s south before bursting into a roar over Beirut. The sound brought some residents of the Achrafieh district in east Beirut out on to their balconies and the streets, their necks craned to the sky. Israeli fighter jets were conducting a mock air raid over Beirut, throwing out flares that lingered over the capital city and producing two sonic booms, rattling windowpanes. The planes were flying at the lowest altitude over the city yet since fighting between Hezbollah and Israel broke out on 8 October.

“I will not talk about a time, place or form, but … the reckoning will come,” Nasrallah continued, unaffected by the jets flying overhead.

In Rmeish, a Christian town on the Lebanese-Israeli border about 72 miles (116km) from Beirut, the sound of Israeli airstrikes was uncomfortably close. Rmeish sits between Aita al-Shaab and Yaroun – two of the most frequently targeted towns in Lebanon – but itself has been mostly spared by Israeli fire.

“There is shelling around us from every angle, they were very violent and produced a huge amount of smoke. Planes are everywhere,” Father Najib al-Amil, a local priest, said over the phone.

Father Amil is a community leader for Christian villages in southern Lebanon and has worked to strike a balance between maintaining a cordial relationship with Hezbollah and ensuring Christian villages are not used as staging grounds for attacks against Israel.

“Until now, [Rmeish] is OK, but we don’t know what will happen. We are isolated, tired and scared,” the priest continued.

The attacks in Lebanon and the anticipation of retaliation from Hezbollah have become part of a familiar, but still stressful, routine in the country. Just three weeks prior, Nasrallah said that Lebanon “can take a breath and relax” after the group’s retaliation for Israel’s assassination of Hezbollah’s military chief of staff, Fuad Shukr, in Beirut.

That period of relaxation proved brief, as Tuesday’s attacks plunged Lebanon back into uncertainty.

The attacks were accompanied by comments from Israel’s defence minister, Yoav Gallant, that the war was entering a new phase. Pictures of tanks being transported to northern Israel were widely shared across social media in Lebanon amid furtive speculation as to whether Israel was about to launch a full-scale war.

Nonetheless, Hezbollah’s supporters said they trusted Nasrallah and were ready for whatever might come.

“Our leadership is wise and they will choose what the retaliation will be. It doesn’t have to happen now,” Saaed said, adding that the attacks over the past week were “something one must pass through to achieve victory”. The Guardian

[wat0n]

And now it seems Israel killed all of Radwan's senior commanders. It seems there are many Lebanese who hate Hezbollah enough to be willing to share intel with Israel.

[Pants-of-dog]

Centrists often support terrorism if the targets are considered enemies. Lebanese people definitely fit the bill.

[wat0n]

Not sure about what terrorism @Pants-of-dog is talking about. Attacking Hezbollah's military infrastructure is legitimate.

[Pants-of-dog]

Thank you for providing an example of my claim.