[Hakeer]

I'm not sure if you have misunderstood @SpecialOlympian, but his comments are meant sarcastically or in parody.

Either way, can we get this thread back on topic?

[Potemkin]

I'm not sure if you have misunderstood @SpecialOlympian, but his comments are meant sarcastically or in parody.

You’re talking to an American, @Rich. Don’t waste your breath.

[Tainari88]

You’re talking to an American, @Rich. Don’t waste your breath.

You see that is the kind of talk that is wrong. In Mexico the Americans are everyone from the Caribbean Islands, North America, Central America and South America.

You want to say estadounidense in Spanish. From the fifty states of North America. USA. Do not include the millions in Latin America. Unitedstatian is the direct and literal translation. The Mexicans are in North America.

But they are not United States Americans from the 50 states and resent Europeans calling people from the USA the Americans. Are they? The original North Americans are really Native Americans and Mexicans. They have appropriated the word American. This is how resentful they are over this misappropriation of the word American.

See here:

[Potemkin]

You see that is the kind of talk that is wrong. In Mexico the Americans are everyone from the Caribbean Islands, North America, Central America and South America.

You want to say estadounidense in Spanish. From the fifty states of North America. USA. Do not include the millions in Latin America. Unitedstatian is the direct and literal translation. The Mexicans are in North America.

But they are not United States Americans from the 50 states and resent Europeans calling people from the USA the Americans. Are they? The original North Americans are really Native Americans and Mexicans. They have appropriated the word American. This is how resentful they are over this misappropriation of the word American.

See here:

I stand corrected, querida. It’s what comes of the USA not having its own name as a nation, but instead being named after a continent, as though there’s no other nation in the Americas. It would be like the UK being called “the United Kingdom”, as though there’s no other kingdom in the world. How absurd would that be? …. Oh, wait…. Never mind.

[Rich]

I stand corrected, querida. It’s what comes of the USA not having its own name as a nation, but instead being named after a continent, as though there’s no other nation in the Americas. It would be like the UK being called “the United Kingdom”, as though there’s no other kingdom in the world. How absurd would that be? …. Oh, wait…. Never mind.

Are you referring to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or UKOGBANI for short. Normally context is enough to distinguish it from UKOJAI.

[Tainari88]

I stand corrected, querida. It’s what comes of the USA not having its own name as a nation, but instead being named after a continent, as though there’s no other nation in the Americas. It would be like the UK being called “the United Kingdom”, as though there’s no other kingdom in the world. How absurd would that be? …. Oh, wait…. Never mind.

If you study the USA it is about taking over territories from Native American tribes who were there before them for centuries. They either died off due to exposure to European diseases like small pox or measles, and other European origin diseases, and or being enslaved, or being wiped out due to starvation, fire, and or shot to death and sent to mass graves with forced marches in the winter, etc.

Spain sent very few Spanish women and children to the Americas. The Spanish males wound up having children and families with non European women of both Indigenous blood or African blood. Your Spanish descendant baptized children were not allowed to be slaves due to the Spanish codes. They were born free even though their mothers were slaves.

The case of the English speaking colonies (the 13 original colonies of the USA), entire families were sent to occupy those colonies. The miscegenation was less common. It still occured but it was less common. The Protestants also had different policies for slavery in the Americas than the Roman Catholic clergy and adminsitration had.

Just a few fun facts about Central America. Guatemala was the center of Mayan culture for a very long time. It still is a majority Mayan nation.

Panama was part of Colombia. It was deliberately encouraged to rebel and backed with US dollars for the specific purpose of making the Panama Canal Zone for the USA. The US government created a civil war in Colombia to have Panama break away from Colombia. The Panama zone was part of Colombia.

Many British people do not bother to study how many interventions the US government has done that had very negative effects on a bunch of nations in the Americas.

The original canal zone to unite the East Coast of the USA with the West Coast of the USA was the nation of Nicaragua. But? They ran into some rebels who squashed their plans. Lake Nicaragua was ideal for a canal zone. But they set their eyes on Panama (the one that was part of Colombia) instead. Nicaragua has always been a tough cookie to crumble. Even if it is a tiny country.

Puerto Rico continues to call US dollars, by the Spanish old currency of pesos. One US dollar equals one peso in Puerto Rico. Pesetas are .25 cent coins.

That Scottish currency is funny to the Mexicans. Lol. I guess they think if it does not have some Queen or King from Westminster on it? It is funny money.

[Tainari88]

Either way, can we get this thread back on topic?

I can hazard a guess and claim that if Trump loses the election he will claim that it was fraud. And then there will be chaos and mayhem.

Hee hee.

Meanwhile today October 1st, 2024 most kids had no school today because they are celebrating Mexico's first woman president taking over the government presidential seat. It is a bank holiday. Mexico only has one six year term for the presidency. Once the six years are up? There are no other terms allowed.

I wonder how January 2025 for the USA is going to turn out? Will be some kind of violent bloodbath and chaos? Or will something freaky happen before then?

[Hakeer]

I can hazard a guess and claim that if Trump loses the election he will claim that it was fraud. And then there will be chaos and mayhem.

Hee hee.

Meanwhile today October 1st, 2024 most kids had no school today because they are celebrating Mexico's first woman president taking over the government presidential seat. It is a bank holiday. Mexico only has one six year term for the presidency. Once the six years are up? There are no other terms allowed.

I wonder how January 2025 for the USA is going to turn out? Will be some kind of violent bloodbath and chaos? Or will something freaky happen before then?

My prediction, if Trump loses, there will not be as much violence in D.C., but an incredible test of our courts all the way up to the Trump Supreme Court like Florida in 2000, except this time probably PA and Georgia. It will be awful no matter who gets the most votes.

[Deutschmania]

@Rancid I saw that Cruz ad about trans kids and high school sports and it was fucking vile. Just disgusting that, in lieu of offering policy that materially benefits anyone, the GOP wants to wield the power of government against queer teenagers.

I remember one GOP governor vetoed a high school trans athlete ban. He wrote a public letter stating why and it basically boiled down to: “This bill is targeted at three (3) teens in the entire state. This is a ridiculous and cruel use of governmental power.”

Pretty sure the state Congress overruled the veto because state level politicians are normally nut jobs.

If I am not mistaken , I believe that it was in my state that Governor Mike DeWine vetoed the bill . Our gerrymandered Republican legislature overrode it though .

Ohio’s Republican governor has vetoed legislation that would have barred transgender youth from receiving gender-affirming care, he said Friday.

Signing the bill would “be saying that the state, the government” knows what’s better for youth than their parents, Gov. Mike DeWine said.

State lawmakers passed House Bill 68 just before the holiday break.

The legislation would have prohibited gender-affirming care for trans and nonbinary youth, including hormone blockers, hormone replacement therapy, medical or surgical procedures and some mental health services.

The bill also sought to prohibit transgender athletes from taking part in female sports. The veto comes as other states have passed laws against gender-affirming care for youths. About 20 states have done so, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a LGBTQ+ advocacy group. The group says about 30% of transgender youth between 13 and 17 live in states that have such bans.

The organization praised DeWine’s veto Friday. “This is a huge win for trans youth and their families in Ohio,” it said in a statement on X, formerly known as Twitter.

People who have transitioned have told the governor “they are thriving today because of that transition,” DeWine said at a news conference. “Parents have looked me in the eye and told me but for this treatment, their child would be dead,” he said.

“I have also been told by those who are now grown adults that but for this care they would have taken their life when they were teenagers,” DeWine said.

For transgender minors and their families in Ohio, “the consequences of this bill could not be more profound,” he said. “Ultimately, I believe this is about protecting human life.” A ‘fallacy’ about surgery, governor says
Decisions about gender-confirming care should be made by the minor, parents and medical professionals, DeWine said.

Gender-confirming care includes a wide range of treatments, DeWine said, and there’s a “fallacy out there” that such care “goes right to surgery. It just doesn’t.”

Two-thirds of youth who seek counseling don’t even progress to receiving medication, he said.

The governor shares a number of concerns raised in the bill and he will use “administrative rules” to address them, he said.

Those include a ban on transgender surgeries for people under 18, a requirement of reporting to state agencies adults and children who receive transgender care, and a ban on “pop-up” clinics.

DeWine did not address the issue of a prohibition on transgender athletes taking part in female competition, which the bill also sought to put in place.

In August, the North Carolina legislature’s Republican supermajority overrode vetoes from the state’s Democratic governor on three bills targeting transgender youth. And this week, federal judge in Idaho temporarily blocked a state ban on gender-affirming care for transgender minors, just days before the law was set to take effect in the new year. https://www.cnn.com/politics/ohio-dewine-transgender-house-bill-68/index.html

The Ohio House has voted to override Gov. Mike DeWine’s veto against Ohio House Bill 68 in a 65-28 vote. This bill would ban transgender minors from receiving gender-affirming medical care and prevent transgender girls from taking part in girls' and women's sports.

The Ohio Senate will vote on whether to override the veto on Jan. 24. Legislators need 60% of the vote in both houses to override the governor’s veto.

Physicians who provide this gender-affirming care for trans youth would be "subject to discipline by the applicable professional licensing board" under this legislation. The bill includes exceptions for this kind of care for non-transgender youth.

A grandfather clause allows transgender people already receiving care to continue doing so.

At least 21 states have implemented restrictions on access to gender-affirming care, many of which have faced legal challenges. A law banning gender-affirming care for minors in Arkansas was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge and similar laws have been blocked in Georgia, Indiana, Idaho, Texas and Montana while the cases are tried. DeWine vetoed the bill, saying that he agreed with several concerns highlighted by the legislature. However, he said he believed the bill as written would harm transgender youth and impede on families' ability to make decisions after speaking with those who would be impacted by the legislation. "The decisions that parents are making are not easy decisions," DeWine said in the Dec. 29 press conference. "These tough, tough decisions should not be made by the government. They should not be made by the state of Ohio. They should be made by the people who love these kids the most. And that's the parents, the parents who raised the child, the parents who have seen that child go through agony."

He proposed rules to regulate gender-affirming care instead that would be less likely to be challenged in court -- including bans on surgeries for minors. None of [the families] that I talked to talked about surgery," said DeWine on Friday. "That's not where they were going in the discussion. And I think that's, frankly, a fallacy that's out there that, you know, this goes right to surgery. It just doesn't. All the children's hospitals say that we don't do surgeries." Physicians have told ABC News that doctors, families and patients often have many long conversations together to consider age-appropriate individualized approaches to care. This often begins with mental health care, they say. For youth approaching puberty, puberty blockers are a reversible form of gender-affirming care that allows children to pause puberty and explore their gender identity without the growth of permanent sex characteristics that may cause further stress, according to physicians interviewed by ABC News.

Hormone therapy for older teens helps align a patient's physical appearance with their gender identity. Patients are given estrogen or testosterone, and the changes from these medications occur slowly and are partially reversible.

Surgeries on adolescents are rare and only considered on a case-by-case basis, physicians have told ABC News. DeWine also proposed reporting and data collection on those who receive care, as well as restrictions on "pop-up clinics" that serve the transgender community.

"I truly believe that we can address a number of goals in House Bill 68 by administrative rules that will have likely a better chance of surviving judicial review and being adopted," DeWine said. Gender-affirming care has been called safe and effective by more than 20 major national medical associations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association. The AMA has said this care can be medically necessary to improve the physical and mental health of transgender people.

Transgender youth are more likely to experience anxiety, depressed mood and suicidal ideation and suicide attempts due to discrimination and gender dysphoria, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Research shows that hormone therapy can improve the mental health of transgender adolescents and teenagers, a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found.

When asked if he had thoughts on the sports restrictions in the bill, DeWine said he "focused on the part of the bill that I thought affected the most people and the most children by far," referring to the gender-affirming care portion of the bill. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ohio-house-votes-override-governors-veto-trans-care/story?id=106071342

[Deutschmania]

My handy rule of thumb for remembering if something is Warhammer or Catholicism is: what do they worship?

If it's skulls, and just general skull motifs on everything, it's Catholicism. Those freaks just won't let their saints die.

If it's the cross they impaled God on, it's Warhammer. Feel free to print this post out and laminate it so you can use it as a handy guide to faith in your everyday life.

So by that criteria , the Schutzstaffel were Catholic , and the Fatherland Front Warhammer . As proof , pictures are worth a thousand words . Also , before now I hadn't even known what Warhammer is about . It sort of brings to mind though , the song " Square Hammer " , by Ghost . Hmm , I wonder then if in a sense Ghost is actually Catholic , by the before mentioned criteria , as they feature a frontman whose face is made up to look like a death head ? I know that recently the post-fascist [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Party_of_Austria]Freedom Party of Austria[/url] won a majority of seats . The question remains as to what the Austrian People's Party might do in terms of forming a coalition government . Will Catholicism join together with Warhammer , and also which party is which ?

[Verv]

One liners, slogans, symbols. All it takes to get someone to vote for for party that supports and enables fascism..

Fucking sad dude. It's such a shame.

There absolutely was a fucking insurrection. Multiple plots, are you blind? Even without Jan 6th, there were attempts to overthrow the government.

What the fuck are you smoking?

You are 100% in support of a fascist party. There is really no other way around this. NO amount of faking the "reasonable" republican or whatever is going to change that. By not speaking up against, by not voting against, you are 100% for it. Just open up, and admit you are a fucking fascist. If not that, then admit you have been duped.

This is actually rather silly as you are supporting the suppression of the mainstream conservative party as it is "fascist" and a threat to democracy, which involves throwing Kangaroo courts where geeks who wrote a silly manifesto about peacefully occupying the Capitol and "hypemen" and demanding a recount are treated as hardened insurgents that were planning the overthrow of democracy and the constitution in America.

"Multiple plots" - of course, because there were also the weirdo militards from, what group was that, 'Oath Keepers' or something, that said they were READY! and waiting for the signal from Trump if it was necessary to show up with their AR-15s. Absolutely ridiculous, but you probably get near identical material if you look at what they are posting in some chapter of the John Brown Gun Club.

None of this is actionable or remotely prosecutable because January 6th was just a bunch of middle aged people hitting cops & getting hit by cops on the police line of a major protest that culminated with the mob being let in to move into the capitol and take selfies.

There was no insurreciton, no coup, no nothing.

The most menacing photo brought up is always Zip Tie Guy, who was accompanied by his 59-year old mother, and who didn't even bring them the zip ties himself:

Prosecutors alleged that Munchel and Eisenhart spotted the restraints en route to the Senate gallery, with Munchel saying, “Zip ties! I need to get me some of them motherf---ers," according to video footage.

NBC News via WPSD Local 6

The guy was sentenced to five years in prison - he also had a Tazer he was not authorized to possess, which was holstered, and spent about twelve minutes in the Capitol.

He also apparently shouted

I want that f---ing gavel!

while marching about the building, lol.

Putting a guy in prison for five years for walking around menacingly with some zip ties he found on location and wanting to steal a gavel, all of which indicate he was some major threat to the US and interrupting democracy, is fascistic.

Putting Enrique Tarrio in jail for 22 years, who was not even present on J6, because he was part of writing a goofy manifesto that talked about the long-term occupation of the Capitol to demand a revote, all the while dispatching a series of unarmed fellow Proud Boy geeks to the protest... That is fascistic.

What have I said anywhere that implies I want to remove the basic rights of my political opponents or jail them?

[Verv]

If those Jan 6 people had been a bunch of leftist Black Panthers doing what those white fascists nationalists did that day? The Black Panthers would have been dead as doornails.

Oddly enough, a group of Black Panthers on May 2nd, 1967, marched into the California Capitol armed with guns.

It’s largely forgotten now, but 50 years ago, it created a national sensation. It even caused the National Rifle Association and Ronald Reagan to back a gun-control bill authored by a Republican.

Tuesday is the 50th anniversary of the May 2, 1967 “invasion” of the state Capitol by two dozen gun-toting Black Panthers. Carrying rifles, pistols and shotguns, and wearing dark glasses, leather jackets and berets, they marched up the front steps and into the Capitol to demonstrate their opposition to an anti-gun bill by Oakland Republican Don Mulford (1915-2000).

Unlike today, there were no airport-style security checkpoints at Capitol entrances — visitors could come and go freely.

Capitol Weekly

Nobody was shot, and this was durign the height of the Vietnam war and civil rights movement.

The story here is about how the NRA then backed some gun control legislation because they are ebil racists.

The issue with you MAGA backers is that the extreme Right wing has not gotten stomped on by the state hard enough and long enough. Way too soft on you guys.

... Again, on this website, I am the Fascist, who has never advocated for the suspension of anyone's rights or the jailing of my political opponents, lol.

The hard left got hit hard and exterminated in the fifties, sixties and seventies. It made the USA soft on the hard right. So they had time to bury into the structure.

Now, the pro capitalist moderate wishy washy liberals who are far from far Left thought control the government. And they have no other choice now but to stomp.

The USA has to deal with all these fascists that they allowed way too much freedom of movement, thought and so on to go around. The reason for that is that the USA prefers fascist Right shit over true radical Leftist change. It is far more conformist with capitalism Verv.

Too much freedom of THOUGHT thrown in there?!

I do not care if the MAGA crowd is very capitalist. It's one of their imperfections I just have to deal with as I occasionally vote for their candidates.

But, you got a bunch of people who really need to understand that nothing gets in the way of change. People are sick and tired of crappy, lying, privileged people making decisions that does nothing for the working class, the lower middle classes and the solidly middle classes of the USA. They only favor upper middle class people and elites. That is it.

If they refuse to deal with it?

All of those parties. All of them will eventually be discarded.

I do not think that is the case, actually - I think Trump's policies broadly favor the middle and lower classes as they are economically nationalist in nature.

Mainstream Republicans certainly favor the middle & upper class, and there are plenty of Democrats who signal that they support the lower class but it's just in terms of welfare benefits and not in terms of improving employment opportunities or making long-term changes.

[SpecialOlympian]

Geez, did this guy kill your dog or rape your wife??? Harris is 2 points ahead of Trump in latest poll in PA with 3% “undecided”. Who the hell are these people? Are they going to vote?

He's a nazi and I have no respect for him pretending he doesn't understand basic concepts so he can make his points. I'm just simply not going to respect a nazi who does a bad job of hiding behind some rosary beads.

[SpecialOlympian]

Boring ass debate btw. Watched it through closed captions during trivia at the bar tonight.

Kinda thought Walz would walk all over Vance because of the classic jock/nerd highschool dynamic. But Christ, Vance did awful. "Yes, the thing the presidential nominee wants to do is unpopular and women hate it. Which is why we need to earn their trust back. By doing the thing they hate and don't like, but it's important we we earn their trust." Most of his talking time was spent apologizing and saying he's not going to do the thing he's going to do that everyone hates.

Just boring. Nothing showstopping like, "They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats." Just two old white men rambling and agreeing with each other.

[SpecialOlympian]

So by that criteria , the Schutzstaffel were Catholic , and the Fatherland Front Warhammer . As proof , pictures are worth a thousand words . Also , before now I hadn't even known what Warhammer is about . It sort of brings to mind though , the song " Square Hammer " , by Ghost . Hmm , I wonder then if in a sense Ghost is actually Catholic , by the before mentioned criteria , as they feature a frontman whose face is made up to look like a death head ? I know that recently the post-fascist [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Party_of_Austria]Freedom Party of Austria[/url] won a majority of seats . The question remains as to what the Austrian People's Party might do in terms of forming a coalition government . Will Catholicism join together with Warhammer , and also which party is which ?

Yeah I think you get it.

[ingliz]

@SpecialOlympian

Wasn't the first question, "Do you think Israel should nuke Iran?"

[SpecialOlympian]

@SpecialOlympian

Wasn't the first question, "Do you think Israel should nuke Iran?"

Didn't catch the first 20 minutes or so.

Wouldn't be surprised if both VP candidates tripped over their own balls to say Israel has a right to defend itself.

You are not American. You don't understand how ingrained our support of Israel is. We have a suicide pact with Israel: the Evangelical right thinks Israel needs to be at war to bring about the glorious end times. And they think the end times are desirable.

There are school districts in Texas where teachers have to sign forms saying they promise not to boycott Israel. We are an insane country.

How the hell does that even work? How can you prove someone didn’t buy a Sodastream out of malice toward Israel instead of the obvious answer of being an underpaid teacher?

[Hakeer]

Didn't catch the first 20 minutes or so.

Wouldn't be surprised if both VP candidates tripped over their own balls to say Israel has a right to defend itself.

You are not American. You don't understand how ingrained our support of Israel is. We have a suicide pact with Israel: the Evangelical right thinks Israel needs to be at war to bring about the glorious end times. And they think the end times are desirable.

There are school districts in Texas where teachers have to sign forms saying they promise not to boycott Israel. We are an insane country.

How the hell does that even work? How can you prove someone didn’t buy a Sodastream out of malice toward Israel instead of the obvious answer of being an underpaid teacher?

If Israel nukes Iran, it will be said that Iran was close to having the bomb, so Israel had to do a preemptive strike for self-defense. The U.S. administration— whether Democrat or Republican — would back Israel, just as they are doing now after slaughtering 40,000 people in Gaza.

[SpecialOlympian]

Israel has the right to defend itself preemptively.

[SpecialOlympian]

I like Iranians quite a bit. There’s a large Iranian population in Los Angeles.

Through a friend of a friend I actually taught an Iranian immigrant some English. Didn’t bother to ever charge him for it. He’d come over and we would talk for a bit and he would say, “

“What is the word that means this?”

And I’d explain to him when it was appropriate to say “I hates that!”

“No, don’t you say you hates anything. You’re doing it right, that is the present tense verb for being really angry at something. But you sound like Popeye.”

“Who is Popeye?”

“Oh boy, settle in for this. This is really important.”

Also showed him a lot of Nathan For You. The funniest show ever made. I don’t think he quite got everything on it, but they were free English lessons.