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@litwin

"Ukraine has ..."

It failed and now Ukraine's best troops, with the best equipment the US can provide, find themselves stuck in a pocket being picked off at will.

What a waste.


:roll:
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ingliz wrote:@litwin

"Ukraine has ..."

It failed and now Ukraine's best troops, with the best equipment the US can provide, find themselves stuck in a pocket being picked off at will.

What a waste.


:roll:


We keep hearing this all the time but the advances are always minimal. Its always the best units getting picked off and the Russian units from reserve waiting to be committed any year now.

FYI, the best units right now just finished mopping up north of Kharkiv and are committed near Kursk to blunt the Russian advance on the Kursk salient from Ukraine. So its unlikely they are fighting under Vuhledar.
By Rich
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ingliz wrote:In August, Ukrainian forces managed to rupture a waste chemical silo at a sugar refinery in the Kursk region. Their silly attempt to convince people they were winning the war has belatedly backfired - It poisoned the river Desna that supplies water to reservoirs downstream in Ukraine used by millions.

They are now busy blaming the Russians.

Yes one of the more moronic ideas of the Liberals is this idea that the only escalation Russia has left is to start dropping nuclear weapons on Ukraine. It is also normally combined with the stupid idea, that if there is escalation, it will be clear who is escalating. This is still very far from an all out war. Poisoning rivers is just one of many escalation options. Of course the Liberals will respond Hitler didn't dare to use chemical weapons and as Putin is Hitler, he won't dare either. I t not occurring to them that main reason the Germans didn't use chemical weapons in WW2 was their dependence on horse transport, rather than some general fear of escalation.

Another obvious way to escalate is to attack nuclear power plants. Ukraine's war fighting ability is critically dependent on its nuclear power. Now of course the West could be respond by empowering long range missile strikes against Russian nuclear power plants, but what if Russia then responded by strikes against Finnish nuclear power plants. What would NATO do then? Launch a ground invasion?
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By litwin
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ingliz wrote:@litwin

"Ukraine has ..."

It failed and now Ukraine's best troops, with the best equipment the US can provide, find themselves stuck in a pocket being picked off at will.

What a waste.


:roll:


Poland : compared Moscow empire to National - Socialist Germany in WWII.


Indisputable facts. Thank you for being so clear eyed and persuasive! The Empire of Lies and Evil



"... diplomats and propagandists of a genocidal regime are also criminals as the prosecutors argued at Nuremberg".

--- Don't overlook this statement.










ps Moscow Bolsheviks & Nazi ww2 handshake in Kremlin picture should be a meme to be used over online arguments.

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By Verv
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litwin wrote:AD vs reality : Murmansk , a Street Dog banged a drunk Muscovite , video from CCTV . What ELSE comes to your mind when you think of Mongol - Muscovite empire ?

https://x.com/BeRuzzia/status/180764158 ... _&ref_url=


PS

https://x.com/i/status/1841037435024621944


To be completely fair, the guy was fully clothed and was simply too drunk to rise to his feet beneath the large dog. I assume he does fairly quickly after the video ends, so it's really just a surprise humpathon from a stray on a probably inebriated homeless man in urban Russia...

... Yet this becomes a political football, lol.

BTW, Litwin, when you post content from X, it can still show up as a video.

Look at the URL you posted:

https://x.com/i/status/1841037435024621944

Just change it to

https://twitter.com/

and then with the rest of the string(i/status/1841037435024621944)

Really, y ou are just changign x.com to twitter.com, and then it will post as usual.

It's simply that the BBCode across the internet has not updated for our convenience to accept both URL strings.
By Rich
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The fall of Avdiika could have been thought of in two ways. From an offensive perspective it was a disaster. From 2014 to the start of the SMO, Ukraine built up its armed forces for one purpose, to retake the Donbas republics. Avdiivka was both a fortress and jumping off point for the offensive. It was knife point driving into the huge Donetsk-Maviika conurbation, a knife point into the heart of the Donbas. :lol: Really the idea that Russia would swap the heart of the Donbas for that bit of land in Kursk. :roll: Zelensky has become ever more delusional. The Ukrainian plan, backed by the Liberal morons in the West was to strangle Crimea economically, but use the army to regain Donetsk city. The loss of Avdiika was then a terrible blow to Ukrainian hopes, or fantasies of regaining all their 2013 empire.

However from a defensive perspective, from the defensive perspective of seeking a compromise peace, where Ukraine would accept that its lost land was gone for good and was just trying to minimise the loss of further land, the loss of Avdiivka was no great defeat, in fact it could even seen as a kind of victory, holding off the Russians for nearly a decade. On one condition, that Ukraine had used those years to fortify a line behind Avdiika. They didn't need to hold that second line behind Avdiika for anywhere near as long as they held Avdiika, but the second line needed to hold for months, long enough to properly prepare a third line of fortifications and long enough to persuade Russia that it would take years, if not decades to really get anywhere.

Similarly from an offensive perspective the loss of Vuhledar is a disaster. Vuhledar was also a knife point, a knife point that allowed Ukraine to strike road, rail and even naval logistic and supply routes into the land-bridge. Of course the capture of Vuheldar will not make the land bridge completely safe, even Moscow is not completely safe from Ukrainian strikes, but every kilometre matters in making the land bridge less vulnerable to logistic isolation. Vuhledar was also a hinge around which the whole Ukrainian southern front was meant to swing, down to the sea to isolate Crimea and then east to retake Mariupol.

But again, similarly to Avdiivka from a defensive perspective, looking forward to a compromise peace, accepting that the lost land is lost, the loss of Vuhledar could even be seen as a victory. On the condition, that the line behind Vuhledar holds. As long as Ukraine still holds Novoukrainka and Bohaivlenka come Christmas I think they can consider the holding of Vuhledar for so long a defensive success.
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Rich wrote:The fall of Avdiika could have been thought of in two ways. From an offensive perspective it was a disaster. From 2014 to the start of the SMO, Ukraine built up its armed forces for one purpose, to retake the Donbas republics. Avdiivka was both a fortress and jumping off point for the offensive. It was knife point driving into the huge Donetsk-Maviika conurbation, a knife point into the heart of the Donbas. :lol: Really the idea that Russia would swap the heart of the Donbas for that bit of land in Kursk. :roll: Zelensky has become ever more delusional. The Ukrainian plan, backed by the Liberal morons in the West was to strangle Crimea economically, but use the army to regain Donetsk city. The loss of Avdiika was then a terrible blow to Ukrainian hopes, or fantasies of regaining all their 2013 empire.

However from a defensive perspective, from the defensive perspective of seeking a compromise peace, where Ukraine would accept that its lost land was gone for good and was just trying to minimise the loss of further land, the loss of Avdiivka was no great defeat, in fact it could even seen as a kind of victory, holding off the Russians for nearly a decade. On one condition, that Ukraine had used those years to fortify a line behind Avdiika. They didn't need to hold that second line behind Avdiika for anywhere near as long as they held Avdiika, but the second line needed to hold for months, long enough to properly prepare a third line of fortifications and long enough to persuade Russia that it would take years, if not decades to really get anywhere.

Similarly from an offensive perspective the loss of Vuhledar is a disaster. Vuhledar was also a knife point, a knife point that allowed Ukraine to strike road, rail and even naval logistic and supply routes into the land-bridge. Of course the capture of Vuheldar will not make the land bridge completely safe, even Moscow is not completely safe from Ukrainian strikes, but every kilometre matters in making the land bridge less vulnerable to logistic isolation. Vuhledar was also a hinge around which the whole Ukrainian southern front was meant to swing, down to the sea to isolate Crimea and then east to retake Mariupol.

But again, similarly to Avdiivka from a defensive perspective, looking forward to a compromise peace, accepting that the lost land is lost, the loss of Vuhledar could even be seen as a victory. On the condition, that the line behind Vuhledar holds. As long as Ukraine still holds Novoukrainka and Bohaivlenka come Christmas I think they can consider the holding of Vuhledar for so long a defensive success.


Moscow empire agrees to accept payment in Pakistani Tangerines amid payment difficulties. Is this the BRICS that's supposed to destroy the Dollar? :lol:
Well if you are completely dependant on China, I guess you need to speak Mandarin, eat Mandarin and pay with Mandarin(s)
:lol:
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By litwin
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Rich wrote:The fall of Avdiika could have been thought of in two ways. From an offensive perspective it was a disaster. From 2014 to the start of the SMO, Ukraine built up its armed forces for one purpose, to retake the Donbas republics. Avdiivka was both a fortress and jumping off point for the offensive. It was knife point driving into the huge Donetsk-Maviika conurbation, a knife point into the heart of the Donbas. :lol: Really the idea that Russia would swap the heart of the Donbas for that bit of land in Kursk. :roll: Zelensky has become ever more delusional. The Ukrainian plan, backed by the Liberal morons in the West was to strangle Crimea economically, but use the army to regain Donetsk city. The loss of Avdiika was then a terrible blow to Ukrainian hopes, or fantasies of regaining all their 2013 empire.

However from a defensive perspective, from the defensive perspective of seeking a compromise peace, where Ukraine would accept that its lost land was gone for good and was just trying to minimise the loss of further land, the loss of Avdiivka was no great defeat, in fact it could even seen as a kind of victory, holding off the Russians for nearly a decade. On one condition, that Ukraine had used those years to fortify a line behind Avdiika. They didn't need to hold that second line behind Avdiika for anywhere near as long as they held Avdiika, but the second line needed to hold for months, long enough to properly prepare a third line of fortifications and long enough to persuade Russia that it would take years, if not decades to really get anywhere.

Similarly from an offensive perspective the loss of Vuhledar is a disaster. Vuhledar was also a knife point, a knife point that allowed Ukraine to strike road, rail and even naval logistic and supply routes into the land-bridge. Of course the capture of Vuheldar will not make the land bridge completely safe, even Moscow is not completely safe from Ukrainian strikes, but every kilometre matters in making the land bridge less vulnerable to logistic isolation. Vuhledar was also a hinge around which the whole Ukrainian southern front was meant to swing, down to the sea to isolate Crimea and then east to retake Mariupol.

But again, similarly to Avdiivka from a defensive perspective, looking forward to a compromise peace, accepting that the lost land is lost, the loss of Vuhledar could even be seen as a victory. On the condition, that the line behind Vuhledar holds. As long as Ukraine still holds Novoukrainka and Bohaivlenka come Christmas I think they can consider the holding of Vuhledar for so long a defensive success.


Here is how much the horde advanced in one year - 2023-2024.
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And in the past 12 months Muscovite casualties were ~375,000 troops. For capturing these small areas on the map highlighted red.

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https://x.com/dim0kq/status/1841523703546540212
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By litwin
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Verv wrote:To be completely fair, the guy was fully clothed and was simply too drunk to rise to his feet beneath the large dog. I assume he does fairly quickly after the video ends, so it's really just a surprise humpathon from a stray on a probably inebriated homeless man in urban Russia...

... Yet this becomes a political football, lol.

BTW, Litwin, when you post content from X, it can still show up as a video.

Look at the URL you posted:

https://x.com/i/status/1841037435024621944

Just change it to

https://twitter.com/

and then with the rest of the string(i/status/1841037435024621944)

Really, y ou are just changign x.com to twitter.com, and then it will post as usual.

It's simply that the BBCode across the internet has not updated for our convenience to accept both URL strings.


look, i still can not get it, why did you join Moscow imperialistic jihad against the Free World ? this my question to you (first of all)

Question to our pro-Moscow (pro - imperialist ) members. "I go to Berlin to rape German women"/
"I go to grab German women"

"I go to Berlin to rape German women"

"I go to grab German women"

"Pyatigorsk (a city) is on its way for German women"

"I bring a German POW for execution"

are you ok with this part of Moscow imperial " culture " ?

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=184708&p=15326303#p15326303

Those German, ME2, European , American, etc. politicians-activists who ignored these obvious signs (the photos are pre-2022) are co-responsible for Moscow imperial war crimes in Ukraine and are willingly preparing imperial war-crimes in other countries, including Germany.


https://x.com/sumlenny/status/1841606695249703255

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backgound :

WIKI: subject of rape during the Moscow commie - imperialistic occupation of Poland at the end of World War II in Europe was absent from the postwar historiography until the dissolution of the Soviet Union, although the documents of the era show that the problem was serious both during and after the advance of Soviet forces against Nazi Germany in 1944–1945.[1] The lack of research for nearly half a century regarding the scope of sexual violence by Soviet males, wrote Katherine Jolluck,[2] had been magnified by the traditional taboos among their victims, who were incapable of finding "a voice that would have enabled them to talk openly" about their wartime experiences "while preserving their dignity."[2] Joanna Ostrowska and Marcin Zaremba of the Polish Academy of Sciences wrote that rapes of the Polish women reached a mass scale during the Red Army's Winter Offensive of 1945.[3]

Among the factors contributing to the escalation of sexual violence against women, during the occupation of Poland, was a sense of impunity on the part of individual Soviet units left to fend for themselves by their military leaders. In search of food supplies and provisions – wrote Dr Janusz Wróbel of IPN – the marauding soldiers formed gangs ready to open fire (as in Jędrzejów). Livestock was being herded away, fields cleared of grain without recompense and Polish homes looted. In a letter to his Voivode, a Łódź county starosta warned that plunder of goods from stores and farms was often accompanied by the rape of farmhands as in Zalesie, Olechów, Feliksin and Huta Szklana, not to mention other crimes, including rape–murder in Łagiewniki. The heavily armed marauders robbed cars, horse-drawn carriages, even trains. In his next letter to Polish authorities, the same starosta wrote that rape and plunder is causing the population to fear and hate the Soviet regime.
AND 2024:


2024:
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You could say that one of the reasons why many Westerners end up being vaguely supportive of Russia is the fact that the West has to deal with its own imperialist past, @litwin , which means simply saying no to every project that would interject us into new spheres of warfare.

Ukraine remaining part of the Russian sphere of interests seems quite natural.

There is talk that the Ukraine would have become a staging ground for NATO weaponry and American missiles, like Poland had become, which obviously poses a threat to Putin.

The US was turning Ukraine into part of its own geopolitical puzzle, and not for the sake of securing peace more broadly, but for the sake of amplifying American power abroad.

Now, was the invasion the right thing for Putin to do? That is debatable. But the US precipitated this conflict through meddling in the 2014 Euromaidan, and by also supplying the Ukrainian regime with the express purpose of setting them on a collision course with Russia that would likely only lead to armed conflict.

The whole situation is further complicated by questions of autonomy and self-determination for the people of Luhansk & Donetsk. But, again, that is a really complicated thing...

As far as all these emotional reports of the historic violence of Russian soldiers, I am right there with you. A lot of terrible things were done in WWII, and none of them were ever addressed, which is incredibly sad.
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Verv wrote:Ukraine remaining part of the Russian sphere of interests seems quite natural.

There is talk that the Ukraine would have become a staging ground for NATO weaponry and American missiles, like Poland had become, which obviously poses a threat to Putin.

The US was turning Ukraine into part of its own geopolitical puzzle, and not for the sake of securing peace more broadly, but for the sake of amplifying American power abroad.

Now, was the invasion the right thing for Putin to do? That is debatable.


Russia is right and sensible to be suspicious of US imperialistic ambitions. But apologising for blatant imperialistic actions by Russia itself as a round-about way of condemning US imperialism, won't earn you any credibility.

You guys need to accept the fact that Putin is not the victim here. He is the aggressor. Regardless of how inconvenient or uncomfortable a US/NATO aligned Ukraine would be for Russia, it should never be use for justifying, or even apologising for the hell that Putin, and Putin alone, has unleashed via his invasion of Ukraine.

Respectfully Verv, grow a spine and stop being hypocritical about this. Willingly launching a full scale war against a nation that did not attack you, and poses zero real threat to your existence or way of life is never "debatable". It is an outrage, and should be condemned unconditionally.
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