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Hakeer wrote:It is Republicans who have made this an issue. Democrats prefer to let trans kids, the parents, their doctors, and the kid’s mental heath counselor — that is, the people who KNOW what’s going on in this kid’s life — make the treatment decisions without government interference.

If you look at the PEW opinion poll, it splits right down party lines. That is why Trump is running this ad during NFL games to stir up his base.


Surely it is a private issue - I have zero interest in any person's specific desires for their own gender presentation/identity as a fair amount of them suffer from intersexuality, and those who suffer from intense dysphoria also deserve their privacy and are fighting a hard battle that I wish them success in. I have zero issues with surgeries for those who are intersex, though I would encourage those who are dysphoric with treating their mind rather than their body, as it is a more efficient fix and because of the everybody knows that building used to be a pizza hut phenomena.

The GOP and various conservative parties the world over recognize the promotion of transgenderism and gender identity issues broadly as a problem and a winning position mostly because of the absurdity of things like men in women's sports. It gains a lot of traction very quickly because even very robust liberals I know are opposed to transwomen in women's events at the Olympics.

This isn't commentary on Imane Khelife or anything - in fact, she is a great example of someone who has been unfairly victimized in the course of the debate. She isn't trans at all, though she may have an unfair advantage due to a biochemical imbalance, and that is itself a huge debate.
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Rancid wrote:Trump never heard of a cat 5 hurricane making landfall (happened during his presidency)... what a fucking moron.


He's old.. he needs to drop out. Why aren't our resident trump-tards calling for him to step down?

How much more of this dumb shit from him do you need before you retards realize how fucking retarded you are? It's daily with the dumb shit from Trump.


Trump is always quite great in his interviews - funny without a script, sharing relevant insights into interpersonal relationships, understanding the nature of the people he's dealing with.

Check this clip out:



This is what you get regularly from Trump, and so you can trust he isn't a stupid man at all and makes a good leader at least because his radar about people is good and his policies in general tend towards isolationism.

Here he is even signaling his opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, a position that was near and dear to the left in the 1980s.

I think you got a bitta the TDS, Rancid!
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Rancid wrote:"Oh MY GOD TRANS!" is the fall back for Republicans and MAGA on everything.

"BUT WHAT ABOUT TRANS PEOPLE!" @Ter did that dumb shit earlier before disappearing again.


Since you used my name....

Rancid and several of his fellow idiot followers of Kamala, have caused PoFo to become an echo chamber reserved solely for anti Trump and anti Putin voices.
Anyone daring to say something against those mantras is exposed to ridicule and insults, Rule 2 of PoFo be damned.

That is why most regular PoFo contributors have voted with their feet and stayed away. Or haven't you noticed, idiot ?

Even though I do not vote in the upcoming election, I do hope that Trump wins. The whole world will benefit from less wars. And contrary to what some here seem to believe, Putin is winning the war in Ukraine. Whatever nonsense psychopath Litwin et al. post many times every day.

As for Rancid, what would you say if your children would change their gender, assisted by their school without informing the parents ? Would you agree that a person with a penis shares the bathroom and changing room with your daughter ? That your daughter, if she participates in athletic sports will have to compete against a physical male ? Have it your way, imbecile.

I consider the nuclear family the basis of society. That parent one parent two nonsense and hiring and promoting people according to gender and skin colour is a terrible idea.

As a parting note : be aware that the US and Europe together represent only 15% of the world population and most of the rest 85% is turning away from your crazy ideas.
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Ter wrote:Even though I do not vote in the upcoming election, I do hope that Trump wins. The whole world will benefit from less wars.


LoL, as if there will be less wars under Trump. The only difference is that Trump will provide more support for the dirty wars (Israel in Gaza/Lebanon and the Saudis in Yemen) and less support for the just war (Ukraine).

Besides, Republicans voted for Reagan and now they whine about free trade and immigration. Then they voted for Dubya and now they whine about foreign wars. Now they vote for Trump. I wonder what they will whine about a decade for now if he wins.

Ter wrote:As a parting note : be aware that the US and Europe together represent only 15% of the world population and most of the rest 85% is turning away from your crazy ideas.


Since when is whatever 85% of the world population thinks relevant to you people? :lol:
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Rugoz wrote:Besides, Republicans voted for Reagan and now they whine about free trade and immigration. Then they voted for Dubya and now they whine about foreign wars. Now they vote for Trump. I wonder what they will whine about a decade for now if he wins.


Probably having to pay thousands more in taxes each year so Elon can become the world's first trillionaire.
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Ter wrote:Since you used my name....

Rancid and several of his fellow idiot followers of Kamala, have caused PoFo to become an echo chamber reserved solely for anti Trump and anti Putin voices.
Anyone daring to say something against those mantras is exposed to ridicule and insults, Rule 2 of PoFo be damned.

That is why most regular PoFo contributors have voted with their feet and stayed away. Or haven't you noticed, idiot ?

Even though I do not vote in the upcoming election, I do hope that Trump wins. The whole world will benefit from less wars. And contrary to what some here seem to believe, Putin is winning the war in Ukraine. Whatever nonsense psychopath Litwin et al. post many times every day.

As for Rancid, what would you say if your children would change their gender, assisted by their school without informing the parents ? Would you agree that a person with a penis shares the bathroom and changing room with your daughter ? That your daughter, if she participates in athletic sports will have to compete against a physical male ? Have it your way, imbecile.

I consider the nuclear family the basis of society. That parent one parent two nonsense and hiring and promoting people according to gender and skin colour is a terrible idea.

As a parting note : be aware that the US and Europe together represent only 15% of the world population and most of the rest 85% is turning away from your crazy ideas.



This is a good post.

Ideally, we would not be calling someone an idiot, but for weeks it has been the sad case that Rancid has been using the term liberally. It seems uncharacteristic of the Rancid I knew back in the day, so I will not judge him. This is not his true character or true potential. I give him the benefit of the doubt - there is some context or stressor in his life I do not know about.

(1) Ter is 100% right on Putin - he is winning the war. A very irresponsible and devastating gamble was made that has costs the lives, limbs, & mental health of hundreds of thousands of people, and it has caused millions to flee. We even have them here in Korea - the mother of my daughter's best friend, who has become a great friend, informed me that one of the Ukrainian women at the factory she works at just had her son gang pressed into Army service last week. This is, of course, absolutely traumatizing for her, and there is second-hand trauma for all the other Ukrainians whose memories are full of men from their school, their former work places, their neighborhood, their own family and friend networks, that all were killed or disfigured...

I say this to only emphasize a point from Sun Tzu I used to think was a mere factual observation but I now regard as sacred: only fight the war you know you can win.

They can't win this. It was the job of the broad NATO intelligence community to know that and avoid this conflict, and they either failed out of stupidity or they made a callous decision that using Ukrainian lives to diminish Russian power and further NATO geopolitical goals is good...

In short: they're profoundly stupid or profoundly evil. Hopefully, the former.

I can't pinpoint when, exactly, it was, but I started studying the history of the CIA a bit, and I realized that they have been this callous & evil many times before, in addition to being generally incompetent. It's not an "OR," it's an "AND," which makes sense because I have found in my life that evil is frequently stupid. Not always, there can be a certain cunning and logic to how it operates, but it so fundamentally misunderstands what is good in life that it often requires a liberal dose of stupidity.

(2) Ter is, of course, also right about how insane it is to transition kids without informing the parents, and to normalize this around other students is also damaging.

Yes, as I stated before, I am aware that there are intersex children who are born without a discernible gender due to an inconsistency between internal sex and external genitalia. This is highly rare, and when that is the case, it's a purely medical situation...

This is somethign that isn't just a minority of cases, but also something that conservatives have never really talked about.

I do not even consider these people conventionally transgender, since they are not really transitioning the body, but operating on an already unwell body that has an incongruence, while transgenderism I think is best understood as transitioning a healthy body fully in conformity of one gender into another.

I could go on, but let me focus on the meta:

- It doens't matter how nuanced I am about it, nor does it matter how much I emphasize that I do not want to be involved in the lives of adult individuals making insane choices about their gender and sexuality. I have no delusions that I can "control" or "fix" them. I am still regarded as a bigot because I want to minimize the normalization of this illness and am suggesting that traditional gender concepts, not even "roles" here (lol), are correct.

- The state always seeks power for itself because it validates its moral authority, and this is why competing institutions like religion are frequently viewed with hostility when they are not cooperative with the agenda. The state is literally taking the power from parents with the assumption that the parents are bigoted thugs poisoned against their own children, and that the state can care for them better...

But what are we really talking about?

Transitioning someone to a life on the fringes of society and permanent dependence on hormone cocktails after an extensive recosntruction of their body that still can't really turn them into the opposite gender.

- There is a general desire to deconstruct gender concepts and to empower any form of thought hostile to traditional Western society, and also a desire to promote "progress." Transgenderism is promoted not because it is in itself a good, but because it serves both narratives that the establishment tells about itself.

This is really why it has become such an important battle - it is the new part of the degenerative wedge thrust deeper & further, designed to rip apart even more of society.
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CBS edited Kamala's answer in order to make her not sound dumb. 

Is that election interference by a major broadcaster? Or is that standard practice? 

Would they have done the same for Trump? 

Another potentiality is that this is all fake.

EDIT: It is not fake. It is acknowledged as the real, original answer by the Kamala campaign:

The Harris campaign insists it had nothing to do with the edit, with an aide telling Fox News Digital, "We do not control CBS's production decisions and refer questions to CBS."


Fox News
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Ter wrote:Since you used my name....

Rancid and several of his fellow idiot followers of Kamala, have caused PoFo to become an echo chamber reserved solely for anti Trump and anti Putin voices.
Anyone daring to say something against those mantras is exposed to ridicule and insults, Rule 2 of PoFo be damned.

That is why most regular PoFo contributors have voted with their feet and stayed away. Or haven't you noticed, idiot ?

Even though I do not vote in the upcoming election, I do hope that Trump wins. The whole world will benefit from less wars. And contrary to what some here seem to believe, Putin is winning the war in Ukraine. Whatever nonsense psychopath Litwin et al. post many times every day.

As for Rancid, what would you say if your children would change their gender, assisted by their school without informing the parents ? Would you agree that a person with a penis shares the bathroom and changing room with your daughter ? That your daughter, if she participates in athletic sports will have to compete against a physical male ? Have it your way, imbecile.

I consider the nuclear family the basis of society. That parent one parent two nonsense and hiring and promoting people according to gender and skin colour is a terrible idea.

As a parting note : be aware that the US and Europe together represent only 15% of the world population and most of the rest 85% is turning away from your crazy ideas.


There are people from Europe on this forum and Trump is universally disliked in Europe for many reasons and not just Ukraine related but that is just the latest iteration. Not sure why are you surprised about people disliking Trump and his followers under the circumstances. You reap what you sow sort of thing.

He previously had some credibility but then with all his shenanigans during his term he self-exploded himself even in the eyes of a lot of Americans.
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Verv wrote:CBS edited Kamala's answer in order to make her not sound dumb.


That's funny because her first answer sounds more intelligent and she's actually answering the question, more or less. But hey, that's American politics. It doesn't matter what you say as long as you project confidence and strength. Trump in a nutshell.
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Verv wrote:Surely it is a private issue - I have zero interest in any person's specific desires for their own gender presentation/identity as a fair amount of them suffer from intersexuality, and those who suffer from intense dysphoria also deserve their privacy and are fighting a hard battle that I wish them success in. I have zero issues with surgeries for those who are intersex, though I would encourage those who are dysphoric with treating their mind rather than their body, as it is a more efficient fix and because of the everybody knows that building used to be a pizza hut phenomena.


They're not doing it so you'll fuck them, dude. They're doing it for themselves. And honestly, from the trans people I've met, they could care less if a nazi thinks they're not attractive.

But hey, look at Verv, we all know that church used to be an IHOP where drunks went to sober up at 3AM.

Ahahahaha:

Ter wrote:As for Rancid, what would you say if your children would change their gender, assisted by their school without informing the parents ?


Verv wrote:This is a good post.


Verv wrote:(2) Ter is, of course, also right about how insane it is to transition kids without informing the parents, and to normalize this around other students is also damaging.


Lmao. Are you two really this stupid? Like damn dude, do you think Haitian immigrants are eating the dogs and cats now too?

You think in America, where teachers are underpaid and the leading cause of bankruptcy is medical debt, that schools are transing the kids? The same school where teachers have to buy their own supplies is doing fully paid surgery for children. Like, Ter, are you senile now? I knew you were old. Verv is obviously just doing his smiling nazi act.

Either of you dumb motherfuckers prove a school ever paid for a child to have sex reassignment surgery. Prove it. Do it. Prove Trump right, lmao. The closest thing you will find is a school teacher not telling a parent about their child's desire to identify under a new name or pronoun and the parent suing the school over it. Which should tell you why the child never told their parents.

Like I know Verv is just trying to be a clever nazi hiding behind his rosaries. Or a handful of loose white onions, I don't know what they do in Orthodox Christianity. But I genuinely worry about Ter's cognition as an elderly man in Eurostan gobbling up nonsense fringe rightwing talking points as gospel.

But still, I love these two clowns paired together like a buddy comedy trying to drive the discussion to things like, "When will the Democrats stop using their weather machine to punish Southern states?" Keep it up you two, you're a dream team and you're gonna change a lot of minds.
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I need to know. How do you two morons think this works?

Does a school bus just drive by the parents' home one night and kick a gurney out of the door while shouting, "Enjoy your new son/daughter!" before peeling off into the darkness?

Please, walk us step by step. Give us a guided tour of your brains explaining how you came to the understanding that schools are secretly doing surgery on children. What do they do during the surgical recovery period? How do they hide their tracks? Please, it will be so funny to hear your thoughts.
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SpecialOlympian wrote: Ter, are you senile now?


As expected, SpecialOlympian proved me right.
Divergent opinions on PoFo will be swiftly punished by insults and ridicule.
The followers of intellectual powerhouse Kamala AKA the cackle cackle woman do not like freedom of speech.

SpecialOlympian, you are not even funny. I appreciated you years ago when you were selling ice cream in the parking lot of a film studio. At least you were less pretentious those days. You are just a sad drunkard now.
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Ter wrote:As expected, SpecialOlympian proved me right.
Divergent opinions on PoFo will be swiftly punished by insults and ridicule.
The followers of intellectual powerhouse Kamala AKA the cackle cackle woman do not like freedom of speech.

SpecialOlympian, you are not even funny. I appreciated you years ago when you were selling ice cream in the parking lot of a film studio. At least you were less pretentious those days. You are just a sad drunkard now.


Your ignoring the question though. SO has a point, US is not exactly a country that funds things like Trans surgeries through schools and that is what he is making fun off.

How are schools transitioning children? There are some crazies around everywhere in any country but overblowing it like schools are literally transitioning children is just bullshit. You know it, we know it, SO knows it and that is why he is pointing it out. US is a country with a weird healthcare system in the first place so those surgeries cost a truck of money and not something the American state will ever pay for to be "free" especially through schools.

This is once again, one of those dishonest MAGA talking points in America. The reason that you can't give an answer is simple though because it is not true. Like cats and dogs being eaten and many, many, many other stuff before. And no amount of twisting and posting some isolated images probably out of context or from 1-2 crazy teachers from a country with population of 350 million is going to change that.
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Opinions must be respected as truth.

“My feelings are valid,” screams @ter.

You said schools are performing surgery on children you fucking clown. Seek medical help.

If you lived in the US, you could just go to your local school and talk to an entire team of surgeons and nurses in between trans surgeries.
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JohnRawls wrote:Your ignoring the question though. SO has a point, US is not exactly a country that funds things like Trans surgeries through schools and that is what he is making fun off.

How are schools transitioning children? There are some crazies around everywhere in any country but overblowing it like schools are literally transitioning children is just bullshit. You know it, we know it, SO knows it and that is why he is pointing it out. US is a country with a weird healthcare system in the first place so those surgeries cost a truck of money and not something the American state will ever pay for to be "free" especially through schools.

This is once again, one of those dishonest MAGA talking points in America. The reason that you can't give an answer is simple though because it is not true. Like cats and dogs being eaten and many, many, many other stuff before. And no amount of twisting and posting some isolated images probably out of context or from 1-2 crazy teachers from a country with population of 350 million is going to change that.


Well, a rare post where I agree with JR 100%. :lol:
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Ter wrote:SpecialOlympian, you are not even funny. I appreciated you years ago when you were selling ice cream in the parking lot of a film studio. At least you were less pretentious those days. You are just a sad drunkard now.


It's funny how people say I'm not funny the second I challenge their beliefs.

Your belief is: "Children are being forcibly transitioned by American schools, which have incredible funding and power. I don't even live in America, but Trump said it so it must be true."

You fucking idiot. Don't double down on this shit, do some real self reflection. Look in the mirror and I promise you, you will find the funniest person in this thread.
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And I'd like to point this out from Verv, who was riding on Ter's coattails because he found the most senile and transphobic man in the room ranting like a Fox News grandpa and went, "Yeah, riff man, riff."

verv wrote:(2) Ter is, of course, also right about how insane it is to transition kids without informing the parents, and to normalize this around other students is also damaging.


Like lmao verv is so desperate for anyone to take up his transphobia shit that he's purposely withholding medication from a senile man just so he can get someone to agree with him.

But just remember, Verv found Jesus at the bottom of a bottle. So all of this comes from a place of ~love~
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Well, at least for me, Trump's refusal to accept defeat in the 2020 election - including his refusal to accept the defeat in a GOP-leaning SCOTUS, his refusal to support his own Vice President in performing his official functions and being on tape pressuring state election officials to "find" him votes - is far more concerning than anything else.
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