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#15326751
Mike Pompeo just got prank called and admited that the USAs strategy towards Russia has completely failed and driven Russia away and towards their asian allies (which by the way include not just China, but also India, Iran, etc).

https://rumble.com/v5hypnx-prank-caller ... src_v1_ucp

Personally I dont think this can be fixed anymore. Russia will not trust Europe or the USA for decades to come. They will find some arrangement because they have to, but thats all.

Well, anyway, nice to see that they finally figured out what alternative media has stated for years.
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By litwin
#15326754
Negotiator wrote:Mike Pompeo just got prank called and admited that the USAs strategy towards Russia has completely failed and driven Russia away and towards their asian allies (which by the way include not just China, but also India, Iran, etc).

https://rumble.com/v5hypnx-prank-caller ... src_v1_ucp

Personally I dont think this can be fixed anymore. Russia will not trust Europe or the USA for decades to come. They will find some arrangement because they have to, but thats all.

Well, anyway, nice to see that they finally figured out what alternative media has stated for years.

WAR - CRIMES : Muscovites drop grenades on civilians in Kherson region. putin´s "Z-bloggers" : "This is good practice for young drone operators to upgrade their skills and prepare for real combat operations."


Nothing new here, MoscowIMPERIALISTIC BARBARIANS just do Moscow IMPERIALISTIC BARBARIAN things (war - crimes). Every single hordesman needs to be tried and punished according to what they did.

Thugs and killers.

VIDEO :

https://x.com/i/status/1843695198796488899

https://x.com/ZarinaZabrisky/status/1843700455572156868
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By litwin
#15326849
Negotiator wrote:Mike Pompeo just got prank called and admited that the USAs strategy towards Russia has completely failed and driven Russia away and towards their asian allies (which by the way include not just China, but also India, Iran, etc).

https://rumble.com/v5hypnx-prank-caller ... src_v1_ucp

Personally I dont think this can be fixed anymore. Russia will not trust Europe or the USA for decades to come. They will find some arrangement because they have to, but thats all.

Well, anyway, nice to see that they finally figured out what alternative media has stated for years.

finally even Muscovites got it, Kasparov :

Image

https://x.com/i/status/1842975324767998129
By Rich
#15326872
The Liberals claim that Putin is the new Hitler.

Its my claim that the Liberals are pathological liars. Putin has been in power now for nearly a quarter of a century. As far as I'm aware even his most fervent supporters don't claim he is immortal. The majority of his time in power has almost certainly passed. Yet in all that time Putin hasn't made a single move to achieve racial purity in Russia. As opposed to the Nazis that started their campaign of violence and discrimination of the Jews even before they came to power.

Now some of the slightly less crude liberals don't explicitly call Putin Adolph Hitler, but still constantly invoke Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill famously pushed for war with Germany even before the Germans violated Belgian neutrality. The argument was that by Christmas 1914, Britain would have the land bridge from Cairo to the Cape and the threat of German domination of Europe would be gone for good. Churchill's plan was successful, but a bit like the HS2 project there were some what you might call slight cost overruns and a bit of a slippage on the timetable. The threat of German domination of Europe was ended for good by Christmas 1945 rather than Christmas 1914. Over 79 million lost their lives and the West had lost a bit of land to the Communists. Well arguably more than a bit. They had lost East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Albania, The Ukraine, the Balkans, Russia, central Asia, North Korea, Manchuria and Mongolia.
By Rich
#15326879
So this guy's extremely pro Ukrainian, he's also seems to be devoting his life to this analyis, but what I thought was interesting was he shareed some analysis with me.



So he considers it very important for the Ukrainians to hold Novoukrainaka and Boyoyavlenka for 3 to 6 months. I specifcally said a few days back that they need to hold them till Christmas. I didn't specify which Christmas. ;) Like me he also doesn't place great significance on Pokrovsk. Its the front to the south of Povrovsk that's most important. The Ukrainians do seem to be slowly losing their Kursk incursion, but one positive take on their situation would be that Putin is piling on the military pressure now before the US elections, because after the election who ever wins the White-house may start looking to bring the war to an end.
By Rugoz
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Negotiator wrote:Personally I dont think this can be fixed anymore. Russia will not trust Europe or the USA for decades to come. They will find some arrangement because they have to, but thats all.


Once Putin's gangster regime is gone, there's the opportunity for a liberal, humane, forward-looking Russia.

Everything you don't want it to be :D.
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By litwin
#15326917
Hakeer wrote:Kasparov plays chess. Putin plays checkers.
(I couldn’t resist.)

Are they gonna build a statue of Hitler too? Praising him for going to war with the Western allies? What do you expect from slaves? Nation of Mongol slaves that are proud of that.

Idiots.


Moscow empire has gone completely insane and is building monuments to Stalin
https://www.thinkchina.sg/politics/no-m ... ar-ukraine
https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/18 ... 5563683900
By Rancid
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Rugoz wrote:
Once Putin's gangster regime is gone, there's the opportunity for a liberal, humane, forward-looking Russia.

Everything you don't want it to be :D.


This is assuming there isn't another Putin-esq asshole that ruins it again.
By Rancid
#15326927
Rugoz wrote:
You should move all these posts into a thread titled "Rich fighting his own straw men".


Indeed. I'm always wondering who are these liberals he's talking about. Like does he just hear them in his head?
#15326960
Interesting video by an ex CIA negotiator. I note, he repeats multiple times, what I've said from the beginning, "you're not going to get an unconditional defeat of the world's largest nuclear power." It doesn't matter what the Liberal narcissists think they are entitled to.



I'd add a couple of things. First he compares Putin to both Stalin and Mao. We did not just negotiate with them, we allied with them. But also the Khmer Rouge, we were a staunch friend and ally to the Khmer Rouge for a number of years. The second is that there should be no involvement of the Chinese in any peace deal. That should be an uncrossable red line.
By Rugoz
#15326962
Rancid wrote:This is assuming there isn't another Putin-esq asshole that ruins it again.


The more likely outcome I admit.

Rich wrote:Interesting video by an ex CIA negotiator. I note, he repeats multiple times, what I've said from the beginning, "you're not going to get an unconditional defeat of the world's largest nuclear power." It doesn't matter what the Liberal narcissists think they are entitled to.


What ahistorical nonsense. The US was unconditionally defeated in Vietnam, so was the SU in Afghanistan.
#15326964
Rugoz wrote:What ahistorical nonsense. The US was unconditionally defeated in Vietnam, so was the SU in Afghanistan.

Are you deliberately trying to be stupid here? The Soviet Union never suffered unconditional defeat in Afghanistan. When the Najibullah government fell, the Soviet Union no longer existed. Even then Afghanistan did not become a member of NATO and Russia was able to find allies amongst the new ruling warlords. :lol: Why do the Liberals insist on saying this dumb shit. Even now it is Russia not the US that is building the stronger ties with the Taliban.

Vietnam for the US was nothing like Ukraine is for Russia. Mexico "liberating" Texas back would be something actually comparable. Even losing in Afghanistan was nothing like the loss of Ukraine. The first Rus state was founded in Kiev not Kabul. A better example of a nuclear super power suffering a major defeat close to home was Cuba. So yes if you had a weak leader like Eisenhower or JFK in the Kremlin then sure I guess anything's possible but we don't. We have Putin. As I said the loss of Afghanistan is not comparable to Ukraine, but even the Afghanistan partial defeat required Gorbachev as leader, who knows how things would have gone under a Putin like leader.

And even the defeat in Vietnam, thousands of kilometers from the lower 48, required a commmie appeasing Defeatocrat Congress to gift North Vietnam with total victory. So yeah if the Russian Parliament had the power of the US Congress and was filled with, soft on America, Defeatocrats, then again sure I guess anything's possible. Look in Gorbachev you had a weak naive gullible fool, who for some bizarre reason seemed to believe the promises of western politicians and diplomats. There was nothing to stop Gorbachev insisting no expiration date military base leases in East Germany and Poland like the United States "negotiated" with Cuba.
#15326965
Rugoz wrote:Once Putin's gangster regime is gone, there's the opportunity for a liberal, humane, forward-looking Russia.

Everything you don't want it to be :D.


Forward-looking and humane is exactly what Russia is NOW already.

I dont know about "liberal" though because frankly the term has lost all meaning. The worst rightwingers, the more rightwing than actualy rightwingers, the woke crowd, the anti-worker, pro-war, anti-democracy, pro-censorship crowd claims they are leftwing. Because they are doing identity politics. Badly.


It is us, the west, who have arranged a coup and an eight year long civil war in Ukraine.

It is us, the west, who are extremely racist towards russians, both those living in Ukraine (30% of the population there) and those from Russia itself.

It is us, the west, who enable the ukrainian nazis, who wanted to drive all russians out of their country. And we did it because we wanted to hurt Russia. That it would hurt Ukraine never bothered us.

It is us, the west, who are drowing Ukraine in debt. Debt they can never repay anyway.

It is us, the west, who is taking over everything Ukraine. Right now Blackrock alone already has taken more land from Ukraine than Russia has.

And it is Russia who is now cleaning up after us.


It is us who need to become forward-looking and humane again.

Like finally noticing that we have "sanctioned" more than half of mankind and in fact our "sanctions" more and more only serve to isolating us, not any of our adversaries.
By Rugoz
#15326966
Rich wrote:We have Putin.


So basically you admit the statement was nonsense, but are now claiming unconditional defeat is impossible because Russia has Putin, who is a super strong man, bro.

You geopolitical analysis is impeccable, as usual. :lol:
By Rich
#15326969
Rugoz wrote:So basically you admit the statement was nonsense, but are now claiming unconditional defeat is impossible because Russia has Putin, who is a super strong man, bro.

You geopolitical analysis is impeccable, as usual. :lol:

So I guess me and the guy in the video should apologise to the hard of thinking. I think we both just assumed that when we said you can't inflict an unconditional defeat on a nuclear super power, we kinda assumed that people would read in the caveat of in their own back yard. So no if Russia decides tomorrow that it wants to occupy Mexico or Ireland, we will not be obliged to let it have a face saving victory.

With this caveat in mind, we will find that Vietnam far from being an exception to this rule, is actually an excellent illustration of it. in the early 1950s the United Nations despite its supposed international legitimacy was not able to inflict an unconditional defeat on the the Communists in Korea. This was because American troops on China's and the Soviet union's borders was not acceptably to Stalin or Mao. Communist China was not a nuclear power at the time but the quantity of Communist China's army gave it in Stalin's words a quality all of its own. So the great problem for the US in Vietnam was that although they had the power to defeat North Vietnam's army conventionally, they didn't want to try the trick again of putting their troops on the Chinese border.

What should the Americans have done in Vietnam? How should they have responded to the lying treaty breaking aggression of the North Vietnamese Communists? The answer was simple. They should have moved their forces into North Vietnam and advanced to the 18.30 parallel and annexed the territory to South Vietnam up to the 18.30 parallel. South east Laos below the 18.30 parallel, which wasn't ethnic Laotian, should have been annexed to Cambodia. We should then have negotiated directly with Mao. We should have said to them we don't want to advance north of the 18.30. We're pretty sure that you don't want us to advance north of the 18.30 parallel. We will stay out of rNorth Vietnam and rLaos. We will respect them as part of your and the Soviet Unions sphere of influence. In return you will ensure that your clients / puppets / allies and even enemies such as Troskyists and nationalists operating from North Vietnam and Laos, respect the sovereignty of Thailand Cambodia and South Vietnam. Arms supplies to the Vietcong and Cambodian leftists will cease.
#15326986
Russia MLRS storages are also going really dry really fast, this is outstanding news.

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