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On top of my having several professional licenses within the financial sphere, I have just received my license to teach. In fact, my professional experience granted me the ability to teach tax, estate, etc. in a few MBA programs. Didn't even need the license, but that's because MBAs are kind of a joke.

I am now a teacher. Do not cross me. I will change your gender if you piss me off. It is a right handed down to me as an educator.

Anyway, this is all hateful and monstrous bullshit lies and we should take a second to just completely shit on the posters who demand to be taken seriously while saying it. Fuck you for wasting everyone’s time you massive retards. It's insulting to everyone that you said it and demanded to be taken seriously.

You're just fucking sick and hate filled losers who prey on everyone else's social decency to spout hateful, nonsensical bullshit in the hopes that it will spring some kind of discussion. You are fundamentally broken people who can only hope to achieve negative attention in your desperate quest for human connection.

Well, now you have it. We hear you, we see, you, and we think you're fucking idiot bigots. Mission accomplished?
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Rugoz wrote:Yes, national politics in the US is akin to trash tv, which was Trump's only successful career path. Go figure.


Trash TV is what replaced "scratch n' sniff bibles" on the American frontier.

The bibles lead to the mass murder of 150 nations. What will trash TV make Americans do? (other than move to the suburbs, sit in cars all day, and hate oil-possessing Arabs).
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QatzelOk wrote:Trash TV is what replaced "scratch n' sniff bibles" on the American frontier.

The bibles lead to the mass murder of 150 nations. What will trash TV make Americans do? (other than move to the suburbs, sit in cars all day, and hate oil-possessing Arabs).


@QatzelOk :

I agree with you a lot, but in this case you're wrong. The Bible, being an anti colonial document through and through, actually dooms the colonialist reader, who with regards to their eternal salvation has no excuses should they bother to read it.

The Books of the Maccabees for example are a great demonstration of anti colonialist resistance in the face of genocidal intentions.
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annatar1914 wrote:@QatzelOk :

I agree with you a lot, but in this case you're wrong. The Bible, being an anti colonial document through and through, actually dooms the colonialist reader, who with regards to their eternal salvation has no excuses should they bother to read it.

The Books of the Maccabees for example are a great demonstration of anti colonialist resistance in the face of genocidal intentions.


Who are you going to vote for in 2024?

I always vote. People have died trying to allow a vote. If I had stayed in Puerto Rico? I would not be allowed to vote for senators, reps and president at all. Only local parties. And they are being overridden by a panel of bankers that are not elected.

Total tyranny. The elections are getting interesting though. It is dividing....Independence or becoming a state. That is what is happening. It is interesting. Colonialism is dying fast.

It does not work.

In the end? If you are not active in the political scene? The vacuum gets filled anyway. Inactive people give their power to change things away due to indifference.
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Tainari88 wrote:Who are you going to vote for in 2024?

I always vote. People have died trying to allow a vote. If I had stayed in Puerto Rico? I would not be allowed to vote for senators, reps and president at all. Only local parties. And they are being overridden by a panel of bankers that are not elected.

Total tyranny. The elections are getting interesting though. It is dividing....Independence or becoming a state. That is what is happening. It is interesting. Colonialism is dying fast.

It does not work.

In the end? If you are not active in the political scene? The vacuum gets filled anyway. Inactive people give their power to change things away due to indifference.


@Tainari88 :

I figure on voting for either a socialist or an constitutionalist candidate, depending on who is on the ballot.

I'm weird I guess, but that's what I do, vote for a constitutionalist or a socialist. I haven't voted for a Democrat or a Republican since 1988. In the 1990s I voted for Reform Party and was quite involved, which is why I know that Trump is no good because of his role in the deliberate sabotage of that party from within.
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annatar1914 wrote:@Tainari88 :

I figure on voting for either a socialist or an constitutionalist candidate, depending on who is on the ballot.

I'm weird I guess, but that's what I do, vote for a constitutionalist or a socialist. I haven't voted for a Democrat or a Republican since 1988. In the 1990s I voted for Reform Party and was quite involved, which is why I know that Trump is no good because of his role in the deliberate sabotage of that party from within.


Oh how times are changing.

My first official vote was in San Juan, Puerto Rico in November of 1984. I was 18 years old. Who did I vote for? The PIP.

Second vote was 1988. I voted for Ralph Nader I think.

1992. I voted for the Green Party.

1996 Green Party.

2000. Socialist party.

2004 Socialist Party. If not on ballot Green Party.

and so on and so forth. Never voted for Obama or Clinton or Bush or any of them. Ever. Even if we were losing. Now? In Puerto Rico the supposed throwaway no one is voting for your tiny percentage party is a huge threat now. It is about 2-4 points from the majority party for the first time ever in Puerto Rican history.

The old PPD or Luis Muñoz Marín and or Luis Muñoz Rivera party is dying off. The voters are on the path to going for independence from the USA. And it is nearing 30 percent of the electorate.

Why?

Because people get tired of lies and bullshit.

https://jacobin.com/2024/03/puerto-rica ... el-bernabe

https://mijente.net/blog/whats-the-late ... erto-rico/

The deadlocked two party system is very common around the world.

If you study how to break them well? You can get some progress.

No matter how long that process takes.
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Hakeer wrote:Today Trump attacked the city of Detroit while holding a rally in Detroit. You can’t make this stuff up!

He just couldn’t control his anger over all those black women in Detroit who cost him the state in 2020.


Trump is a retard, and his followers even more so.

He's also propagating lies about FEMA, to the point that believe his bullshit are refusing to get the help they need. SMH
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Indi wrote:Harris will win the Presidential election.

Now let's begin a civil discussion on how to fix our tax code to where our Federal government will begin to live within the means that exist and are available to it.


That is both hard and easy to answer question. The easy answer is that we need to tweak our capitalist model a bit which requires increasing interest rates and forcing the corporations to compete on innovation and research instead of stock value.

Increasing interest rates by themselves won't do that. The companies will still continue doing what they are doing just on a smaller scale.

Once that is done then the investment already present in the financial market will be enough, it won't need outside government spending nor would higher taxes be a problem.

Right now we are just spending money with low taxes or low interest rates to pump up stock value. And we do it because it is the main guiding principle of our current capitalist itteration. Once the itteration changes then we probably won't need that excess spending and very low taxes/very low interest rate.
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JohnRawls wrote:
That is both hard and easy to answer question. The easy answer is that we need to tweak our capitalist model a bit which requires increasing interest rates and forcing the corporations to compete on innovation and research instead of stock value.

Increasing interest rates by themselves won't do that. The companies will still continue doing what they are doing just on a smaller scale.

Once that is done then the investment already present in the financial market will be enough, it won't need outside government spending nor would higher taxes be a problem.

Right now we are just spending money with low taxes or low interest rates to pump up stock value. And we do it because it is the main guiding principle of our current capitalist itteration. Once the itteration changes then we probably won't need that excess spending and very low taxes/very low interest rate.


The cancer that is Trumpism hasn't been removed yet though.

Where are all the pofo Trump bitches? when will they come out and finally realize how wrong they have been?
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JohnRawls wrote:That is both hard and easy to answer question. The easy answer is that we need to tweak our capitalist model a bit which requires increasing interest rates and forcing the corporations to compete on innovation and research instead of stock value.

Increasing interest rates by themselves won't do that. The companies will still continue doing what they are doing just on a smaller scale.

Once that is done then the investment already present in the financial market will be enough, it won't need outside government spending nor would higher taxes be a problem.

Right now we are just spending money with low taxes or low interest rates to pump up stock value. And we do it because it is the main guiding principle of our current capitalist itteration. Once the itteration changes then we probably won't need that excess spending and very low taxes/very low interest rate.

Having a problem trying to find the question in my post you were answering.
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Indi wrote:Harris will win the Presidential election.

Now let's begin a civil discussion on how to fix our tax code to where our Federal government will begin to live within the means that exist and are available to it.


I am not suggesting that billionaires fund all of Social Security, but they could easily do it indefinitely. There are 801 them and the number increases every year. Their wealth increases by more than $175 million per year, and if they each paid that amount, their wealth would grow slowly and Social Security ($14 billion in 2024) would be fully funded. We don’t need to hit them quite that hard, but I’m just saying that taxing the billionaires can easily be the centerpiece of the fix for Social Security without cutting benefits or raising eligibility to age 70. It all comes down to WHO has to take the pain and who can better afford it. Let’s talk about justice as well as money.
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Hakeer wrote:I am not suggesting that billionaires fund all of Social Security, but they could easily do it indefinitely. There are 801 them and the number increases every year. Their wealth increases by more than $175 million per year, and if they each paid that amount, their wealth would grow slowly and Social Security ($14 billion in 2024) would be fully funded. We don’t need to hit them quite that hard, but I’m just saying that taxing the billionaires can easily be the centerpiece of the fix for Social Security without cutting benefits or raising eligibility to age 70. It all comes down to WHO has to take the pain and who can better afford it. Let’s talk about justice as well as money.

What I've been suggesting is to make Social Security and Medicare nothing more than a mandatory budget spending item funded by the general revenue acquired by the income tax, made permanently solvent by an algorithmic change to our tax code, eliminating the FICA tax and associated trust funds. Of course the details would require an in depth discussion.
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Indi wrote:Having a problem trying to find the question in my post you were answering.


Living within the means was your question.

The reason why US and many others developed countries don't live within the means is that we need to keep taxes way lower than they previously were and have low interest rate. If that wasn't the case then we would live within the means.

So the question is really how to make our economy competitive with higher taxes and higher interest rate.
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JohnRawls wrote:Living within the means was your question.

The reason why US and many others developed countries don't live within the means is that we need to keep taxes way lower than they previously were and have low interest rate. If that wasn't the case then we would live within the means.

So the question is really how to make our economy competitive with higher taxes and higher interest rate.

Actually my intent was to begin a discussion on changing our tax code to accomplish that and and other improvements as well.
In the National debt thread I posted some of what I thought might begin a discussion, which would also eliminate Social Security and Medicare from being an issue in the future as well.
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Indi wrote:Actually my intent was to begin a discussion on changing our tax code to accomplish that and and other improvements as well.
In the National debt thread I posted some of what I thought might begin a discussion, which would also eliminate Social Security and Medicare from being an issue in the future as well.


Here is real GDP growth in this country…
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1

Apart from occasional recessions (mere blips in the trajectory if you look at them from a distance), it just continues to go up, and up, and up. That is why I don't sell stocks during recessions.

The problem in this country is not PRODUCTION. It never has been. The problem is the DISTRIBUTION of the income/wealth that we produce.

We cannot fix a problem if we can’t understand what is causing it.
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