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Verv wrote:If you turn your sensitivity to human rights violations high enough, sure, I see what you are saying. There are still many flaws that remain in the system, and I respect that sensitivity that you have to these flaws...

Because progress means beginning to address these as much as we can.

And yes, there needs to be properly paid taxes from the elites and corporations, and the system should function for the people, not for them.

It's simply a very difficult task because power tends to centralize & accumulate.

But based on the general thrust of the West, it has been good, and Christianity is to credit for the value system that has allowed it to be generally good.



I do not think he committed any sexual assaults. Yes, it is beyond a doubt he was a philanderer, but I think that is par for the course for most men.

If you were to handicap the right to only be able to vote for exceedingly ethical men, we would never get anything done.



I think we need a balanced view.

I could also paint a picture of the left as envious and rebellious, fixated on the destruction of all forms of tradition, desiring to force mediocrity on everybody and to reward laziness, all through the Communist government stealing the hard earned wealth of the middle class...

But that is also unfair.



This just isn't true at all of the average Republican, and it would also be untrue to present a caricature like this of the left.


Look, Verv, the sexual assault thing has been proven to be true in a court of law. He got convicted. He is highly inappropriate with his daughter Ivanka. It would not surprise me that after the old man dies she writes an autobiography stating he snuck in her room and molested her when she was young.

If she wrote that? You would brush it off.

Why? Why vote for a molesting sick, corrupt man.

Ray from NYC was his mentor. You should study the tactics of that freak.

He wrote in his book that he believes in superior and inferior gene theories. Like a classic racist.

You keep finding excuses for his behavior.

He is not even loyal to his own picked out staff. He throws them under the bus at every opportunity if it is to benefit himself in some way.

The only people willing to vote for such a candidate are people who really do not care about the quality of candidate they get in the position. The important thing is to hurt the other side.

I was asked long ago on this forum if I could jail all the Right wing types would I? I would never do that. You do not kill off an entire political philosophy. It is pointless to do that. You lose the ability to communicate, the right to understand them and you also never should be disrespecting your political opponents. Because in the end we learn as human beings from each other.

But people who refuse to understand that others are human and will always be humans, no matter how different they may be to your background or experiences are a valuable asset, and not the humans who make objects of human beings and deny them human rights. They are the truly LOST ONES. Who are so far gone that they really believe that the only human worth respecting has to fit a certain criteria first. One that is about their own distorted ego first. They are going to find out the hard way that they betray it all for bad values. A wasted life they are handed. And there is nothing as bad as living a wasted human life. You got to go back to the drawing board and realize all your efforts only beared rotten fruit. And by their fruits you shall know them. That is Christian thought for sure. .

People change over time with experiences and with wisdom.

Politically people get tired of lies and manipulations, lack of action and inhumane policies. There is a price to be paid for not doing the right thing.

For everything. So many people think there are no consequences to bad policies and bad politics. But there are. Very grave ones. And the people suffering through that do learn. Eventually.

That is called political evolution.

And only groups evolves Verve. Individuals do not. The Trump type of people will evnetually fade with time. Relegated in human history to those who were selfish and low. Which means the impact they leave on the minds and hearts of the people they interacted with? Is going to be mainly negative over time.

Negative experiences leave trauma. But what stands the test of time? Are the people we love.

If they fail to love well? They are truly the most ineffective and forgotten political leaders because no one respected their bad decisions that damaged a lot of vulnerable people.

If you can't be inclusive, respectful and dutiful and improve the life of the vast majority out there? What the hell are you accomplishing in politics? NOTHING.

I do not care what Trump does for the wealthy, the sexual assault men out there and the greedy. If you are a true Christian you have to realize that what you do the least of all in society you do directly to the Christ.

He does nothing for the least. He never has.

Yet he is the choice of the Christian? He is a fool.

And anyone who votes for a fool is a fool by association.
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Rich wrote:If you believe in the Bible or...

The obvious solution would be to designate religious belief as a mental health problem, section these disturbed individuals, and modify their irrational patterns of thought using ECT and pharmaceuticals as appropriate.

The seizures brought on by ECT seem to change brain chemistry, and these changes can quickly improve symptoms of certain mental health conditions.


:)
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Verv wrote:Yes, and they are correct in opposing that - gay marriage is not correct. They cannot be married in really any cultural tradition, and the purpose of marriage isn't just navigating some contractual arrangements between couples, but it's about encouraging family growth.

Growing up with two parents of the same gender, or growing up with a transgender parent, will cause psychosocial damage to the kids, who will themselves probably be more likely to lack positive moral formation. Of course, the next demand will be to provide evidence of this claim, and the only reputable evidence must come from an approved social science department of some University that was invented by pupils of the Frankfurt school and has maintained that tradition, :lol:.

So, your own family is correct - y ou should have a more positive view towards them. Of course, I can't ask you to agree with them - I am not that extreme of an optimist - but it would be beneficial for you to begin learning the nuances of their position and trying to be informed.

As you get older, y our views may change and ripen.

Also good on the Lions!


I am not going to get much older at age 78. I was raised Catholic in a very Christian family. My cousin, for example, doesn’t believe in evolution and thinks the universe is 6,000 years old, not 13.5 billion. But whatever.

I support your First Amendment right to believe anything you want. I am also a liberal who supports separation of church and state. Project 2025 is a Christian nationalist agenda also targeted at Evangelical Christians.

Go Bears!
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Hakeer wrote:Latest NYT poll in PA done Oct. 7-10 has Harris winning by 3 points and margin of error 3.8%. It also has Trump winning Arizona, but that doesn’t probably matter if Harris wins PA.


It doesn't make much sense to obsess too much about those results if they're within MOE. The only thing polls are saying is that the election is almost like a coin toss in those states.
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annatar1914 wrote:...I agree with you a lot, but in this case you're wrong. The Bible, being an anti colonial document through and through, actually dooms the colonialist reader, who with regards to their eternal salvation has no excuses should they bother to read it.

The Books of the Maccabees for example are a great demonstration of anti colonialist resistance in the face of genocidal intentions.


Yes, one can find whatever one wants to find in the Bible.

If you like genocide and colonialism, the Bible offers you the Book of Joshua and Deuteronomy.

Remember, that the 150 genocides of North America were accomplished by Bible-thumpers with the love of Jesus in their hearts. Israelis are currently engaged in the same vibe.

And with the current slate of presidential candidates, it is likely that the Book of Joshua wins whomever gets elected.

But if other parts of the Bible work for you, that's great (for you, that is).
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ingliz wrote:The obvious solution would be to designate religious belief as a mental health problem, section these disturbed individuals, and modify their irrational patterns of thought using ECT and pharmaceuticals as appropriate.

The seizures brought on by ECT seem to change brain chemistry, and these changes can quickly improve symptoms of certain mental health conditions.


:)


So who is going to win the election in the USA for 2024?

Lol.

And do you ever wonder why two dudes with guns have tried to blow Trump away and keep failing? What's your theory on that?
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wat0n wrote:It doesn't make much sense to obsess too much about those results if they're within MOE. The only thing polls are saying is that the election is almost like a coin toss in those states.


I mentioned MOE because 3 is not too far from 3.8, and this late in the election MOMENTUM is important to watch. She seems to have it in PA, but need to see whether it holds.
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Hakeer wrote:I mentioned MOE because 3 is not too far from 3.8, and this late in the election MOMENTUM is important to watch. She seems to have it in PA, but need to see whether it holds.


Too much opium.

The only event with a real "effect" was Biden's debate performance, and that was solved by swapping him for Kamala Harris.

Beyond that, polls have been basically flat at ~50-50.
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QatzelOk wrote:Yes, one can find whatever one wants to find in the Bible.

If you like genocide and colonialism, the Bible offers you the Book of Joshua and Deuteronomy.

Remember, that the 150 genocides of North America were accomplished by Bible-thumpers with the love of Jesus in their hearts. Israelis are currently engaged in the same vibe.

And with the current slate of presidential candidates, it is likely that the Book of Joshua wins whomever gets elected.

But if other parts of the Bible work for you, that's great (for you, that is).


@QatzelOk :

Anything written can be distorted, by distorters.

And context is important of course. The Israelites exterminated tribes that strictly speaking weren't even fully human but were of the Rephaim, the Sons of Anak, the Nephilim: the Giants who were the descendants of mortals and the Demons.

One may scoff but I for one believe that narrative every bit as much as they did.

In fact, tribes in the New World as elsewhere have a long tradition of legends of terrifying cannabalistic giants that they had to exterminate for their own safety. I believe them too;

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@Tainari88

Harris will win the popular vote.

Trump, the Electoral College with a little help from the Supreme Court.

Who wins might be important for Americans. But for us, it makes no difference. Whoever wins, America will go out of its way to fuck us.


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wat0n wrote:Too much opium.

The only event with a real "effect" was Biden's debate performance, and that was solved by swapping him for Kamala Harris.

Beyond that, polls have been basically flat at ~50-50.


That is true, but virtually irrelevant. As I have been saying for weeks, the only poll that matters is PA, because whoever wins there has a 90% chance of winning the election. For September,Trump was winning in most of the polls, but this new NYT is about a 4-5% swing. That is significant.

There is an even newer poll from Rasmussen that has Trump winning PA, but their polls are total bullshit that should be ignored.
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@Rugoz

As I have no wish for my country to be the village you had to destroy to save it, why would I want Malta to be on your team, your 'Okinawa in the Med'? I am happy being neutral.

Also, your record in Okinawa precedes you.

Signing a SOF agreement with the US will turn Malta into a shithole as your indisciplined army of fuck-ups rapes, murders, and thieves their way through deployment.
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Hakeer wrote:That is true, but virtually irrelevant. As I have been saying for weeks, the only poll that matters is PA, because whoever wins there has a 90% chance of winning the election. For September,Trump was winning in most of the polls, but this new NYT is about a 4-5% swing. That is significant.

There is an even newer poll from Rasmussen that has Trump winning PA, but their polls are total bullshit that should be ignored.


This also holds for PA, I honestly don't think one can say much more than that at least solely based on stated support on polls (which is still limited information).

I actually tend to believe Harris has a slight advantage in the race.
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Rugoz wrote:If you pay attention it's clear what she says. She's trying to recall facts and form a coherent argument. Trump on the other hand is unconstrained by any thought process. It makes him look confident, but it also makes him look like a moron. Apparently his followers cannot tell.

As for Trump being a "magnet for controversy". He's a presidential candidate, hence people have to take him seriously. If he does what he says in his tweets, the American republic is history. Face it.


Now you are doing what I do when there is a Trump gaffe - I defend the reason why there was rambling or a word salad, but, "if you pay attention," and if you want to understand, you can make the content seem persuasive and acceptable.

... If Trump does what he says in his tweets, the American republic will be fine.

Let's also take a moment to appreciate that at one point in time the American Republic had states that kept people as slaves and no women's suffrage.

It's a bit rich to pretend that the right to aborting a child or the restriction of mass migration to the country is going to be the death knell of the American republic & its legacy of democracy, lol.
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Verv wrote:Now you are doing what I do when there is a Trump gaffe - I defend the reason why there was rambling or a word salad, but, "if you pay attention," and if you want to understand, you can make the content seem persuasive and acceptable.

... If Trump does what he says in his tweets, the American republic will be fine.

Let's also take a moment to appreciate that at one point in time the American Republic had states that kept people as slaves and no women's suffrage.

It's a bit rich to pretend that the right to aborting a child or the restriction of mass migration to the country is going to be the death knell of the American republic & its legacy of democracy, lol.


Alot of things has happened since slaves and women's suffrage. You are ex-military, right? How do you feel about his latest ideas of how to use it for 'domestic policy priorities'?

During his first term as president, Donald Trump tested the limits of how he could use the military to achieve policy goals. If given a second term, the Republican and his allies are preparing to go much further, reimagining the military as an all-powerful tool to deploy on U.S. soil.

He has pledged to recall thousands of American troops from overseas and station them at the U.S. border with Mexico. He has explored using troops for domestic policy priorities such as deportations and confronting civil unrest. He has talked of weeding out military officers who are ideologically opposed to him.

Trump’s vision amounts to a potentially dramatic shift in the role of the military in U.S. society, carrying grave implications for both the country’s place in the world and the restraints that have traditionally been placed on domestic use of the military.


In an interview aired on Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures,” Trump was asked about the potential of “outside agitators” disrupting Election Day and he pivoted to what he called “the enemy from within.”

“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within,” Trump said. He added: “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they’re the big — and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen.”


AP News
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MadMonk wrote:Alot of things has happened since slaves and women's suffrage. You are ex-military, right? How do you feel about his latest ideas of how to use it for 'domestic policy priorities'?


Trump using the military as part of operations to guard the borders would be much welcomed - many view it as one of the most logical peace time missions of the military.

If it is to break up massive protests... There is also a precedent for that. Who can forget all the great content of obese soldiers eating fast food around the capitol after January 6th?

Another memorable part of the Biden Presidency was the purging of the military - nominally, of "white supremacists," but the efforts were to propagandize & indoctrinate the soldiers, which is pretty standard, but to a specific sort of ideology. They also say that there was zero leniency with COVID shots as part of removing conservative elements - certainly conspiratorial to some degree, but quite logical if the goal is to send a message.


There's nothing concrete about how he is going to use them and it is doubtful that he'd do anythign other than having them assist in guarding the border or potentially moving on illegal encampments.

I don't find that unnerving.

I actually think that the Deep State is so thoroughly entrenched the idea that they would even be allowed to do anything lke that would be hotly contested.

The idea that someone can be elected the President of the US and quietly write a few memoranda and become the entrenched PResident-for-Life is as silly as those who thought electing Obama, a secret Muslim, would be enough for him to declare us all Muslims now and ally up with the Islamists and eradicate Israel and create a new Caliphate or whatever it was the Ziobaptists were saying in 2008.
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Hakeer wrote:I am not going to get much older at age 78. I was raised Catholic in a very Christian family. My cousin, for example, doesn’t believe in evolution and thinks the universe is 6,000 years old, not 13.5 billion. But whatever.

I support your First Amendment right to believe anything you want. I am also a liberal who supports separation of church and state. Project 2025 is a Christian nationalist agenda also targeted at Evangelical Christians.

Go Bears!


I apologize for being too flippant before...

And I am also sorry to say that, while I like the Bears a bit as a team, I am cheering against Caleb Williams. I just don't like his arrogance and thin skin. I'm quite elated to see Jadyden Daniels doing wonderfully and outperforming him. I hope Williams is a bust..!

So, now you see - we are at odds not just politically, but I wish failure upon your #1 draft pick. Fate has pit us against one another. We should be kind when possible to dull the sharpness of our already all too mortal combat.
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ingliz wrote:@Tainari88

Harris will win the popular vote.

Trump, the Electoral College with a little help from the Supreme Court.

Who wins might be important for Americans. But for us, it makes no difference. Whoever wins, America will go out of its way to fuck us.


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That is their MO. It has always been their MO. Fuck over others to benefit our elitists. End of the story. ;)
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